Is it just me, or does the focus of these two Hero Talent options seem mismatched?
Stormbringer should, in addition to ‘lightning’ also have interactions with Stormstrike and Ascendance/Thorim’s Invocation.
Totemic should be more Lava Lash, Fire Nova, Primordial Wave focused.
It seems odd to me that Totemic is getting the Stormstrike stuff.
totemic is raw half-assed hybrid build garbage and needs to be cooked longer.
stormbringer certainly favors the storm build thoroughly though.
I hope to get a new version of ascendence at least cause its ugly AF
Yeah, kinda feels like Enhancement needs a second major capstone on the spec talent tree, something other than Splintered Elements.
They appear to have tried to make both trees viable for both builds – Stormbringer, by focusing on modifying Lightning Bolt, a spell both specs cast, and Totemic, by placing hooks on both spells that Storm favors, and spells that Elementalist favors – and flopped on both because the divide on both talent selections, preferred damage types, and rotational priority means the two builds are so divorced from one another.
Totemic should get to smack dudes with Totems. Or like stab fire totems into enemy foreheads and watch it tic fire novas and have totem holster belts so we just carry buffs on our location.
Would be cool if they brought Earthquake leggo back but on totems instead
I’ll be honest, Totemic isn’t a home run for me, I’m still going through everything before I make a proper post but Totemic as Enhance is looking bleak.
This was my take as well. I respect that their goal is to let people pick, but as you said the builds are too different.
After seeing Totemic I highly suspect a spec tree rework is actually in the oven. It’s the only way this tree makes sense.
I kind of doubt it to be honest. If they based the Hero talents based on a tree rework that would mean the tree rework was at least near completion and they would have tested that first while finishing the hero talents. I think the devs just have zero clue about enhancement shaman and picked things that fit the theme and not what was cohesive.
Yeah except that’s provably untrue. Most hero talent came into the alpha long before the spec tree reworks started to hit. Shaman and Rogue are clearly the last classes to get worked on, so we will see what happens. Not saying it will happen, but it’s the only thing that makes sense with this tree.
A lot of content creators, always have said Devs are about 1-2 Builds in advance then what they push into Alpha for us to test.
Giving Blizzard the “Benefit of the Doubt”, I’d assume they are on an Alpha Build with adjustments already to our Class/Spec Trees as then Totemic for Enhance might actually make sense.
Like clearly they semi know what they are doing, Stormbringer while could do with some adjustments but is a solid Hero Spec.
Maybe the time crunch has gotten to Blizzard and they could also just have released Totemic now just for us to sort of see the general theme and idea with plans to overhaul it later?. But if so they could of mentioned something.
I mean we could make excuses for the attention Shamans get - or we could look at the facts.
Some classes have had 2-3 iterations after valuable feedback and testing of their class trees and hero trees.
Some classes have only half-baked hero trees, littered with NYI and placeholders, and otherwise haven’t been touched.
Some classes get communication surrounding their feedback-given.
Some classes have gotten barely anything more than copy pasta.
Some classes actually have blue posts requesting their feedback on hero trees.
Some classes literally have had to make their own feedback threads.
I hope someone can make a graph showing how many rework/revamp/respond/changes each spec received since bfa.
See I don’t even think Stormbringer is solid relative to some of the hero talent trees. It is incredibly low effort, mostly rehashed/tweaks of things we’ve already had, and frankly boring visually and mechanically. Other than shocking grasp, none of it is really bad but it’s not exciting or have any sort of depth. It’s something that could be dashed out in a few hours by someone who has never played enhance. I can’t deny that stormbringer is still miles ahead of Totemic though. If I had to give ratings Totemic would be a 1/10, Stormbringer would be a 4/10 maybe a 5.
I truly hope there is a talent rework both in spec and class. I’d would love nothing more than to be wrong. I just know my experience from DF alpha/beta and my instincts are saying they are flying by the seat of their pants with earplugs in. At the very least they need to communicate better and at least give us some dialog about what to expect.
oh i misread, yea shocking grasp is bad.
The best thing I think I’ve seen about it is the shield we get every 30 sec for putting down a totem? Something that makes us survivable is nice and if its a decent enough shield we can be pretty reckless
Such a simple observation, and yet at the same time so profoundly telling.
I personally feel that hero specs shouldn’t force you into a specific talent path in your class spec tree.
I like that Totemic and Stormbringer seem to function for both storm builds and elemental builds.
The issue I think is that totemic does focus on a wide variety of specific talents so to get any value at all from those nodes you are still forced into a specific talent path, which normally you wouldn’t do for an elemental build. Like I can probably fit hailstorm and lava lash into my storm build…. Can I easily fit Ascendance into an elemental build? No… that’s going to be a major change.
They seem to be focusing on physical damage with totemic which I think is interesting and fits thematically but considering our current mastery I’m not sure it’s a smart idea.
Stormbringer I think will work for both storm and elemental the way it is.