Enhancement or Elemental for Shadowlands?

Both specs went through major changes and I am wondering which spec would be great for mainly pushing high keys and progression raiding. Although, I love playing both specs equally but getting BIS gear for each spec is quite a hassle.

Also, the Necrolord covenant ability is amazing for elemental shamans. However, I am not a huge fan of enhancement convent abilities in Shadowlands.

I would love to hear your thoughts :ear:

I’m always going to go Elemental because I’m more comfortable slinging spells from range than beating on them with weapons. I do like enhancement though because of its mix of spells and strikes.

Enhancement is getting better.

Elemental needs to go back to the drawing board. SL Ele is worse than BFA Ele.

Not sure I agree. Numbers tuning will happen, but right now I rate Necrolord as the 3rd best option.

Elemental needs a ton of help, its a mess right now imo. We have 3 spell systems that all conflict with each other in that they don’t want us to use the other. The strange rigid decoupling makes the 3 systems, imo, much worse than maelstrom. It greatly conflicts with their stated design goal.

I am hoping for another major update to ele to fix this.

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I might have to disagree with you. I like the decoupling of EQ/ES. I like the fact that I can have stacks for EQ and ES/ELBL. It makes SoP, in my opinion very intriguing. You can now drop a buffed EQ while using SoP to spread FS to machine gun more LvB which give MotE a place in aoe instead of just running SE/PE. People forget that FS does a ton of dmg and now to be able to spread FS and have FE buff the duration and have a covenant ability to have LvB hit all those targets.

Now I am not crazy that LvB doesnt generate anything and sorta wish they would bake MotE into LvB and give another talent in its place. With the dmg LvB is expecting to do because it doesnt generate resource and the amount of spread dmg FS can do with FE and SoP is pretty phenomenal.

My issue is IF which has been a decent talent is basically lost now. I would rather they remove it from that tier and p-lace it where MotE if they baks MotE into LvB and bring back early BfA High Voltage. This would really set mastery off as probably a strong option to chase. ELBL/EcSh/SE/HV/UP would be my jam.

All in all, I feel like they have made the complexity of Ele in SL more and better than what it is now. Saying this we will have to wait and play it and see. Complexity as we both know can sometimes cause a bad stigma to a class/spec in a world where everyone wants faceroll 3 buttons I win.

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It just means we have less priority damage. Example, in Vexiona I may toss out some CLs during add phase, but I still use EarthShock on Vex. Now that option is removed.

I don’t like having options removed. I don’t like having priority damage removed.

If you are using both CL for stacks and LB for Fulimination EQs…then you are probably ignoring your flame shocks for Lava bursts.

FS/LvB wants you to stop using LB/Fulmination.

CL/CL wants you to stop using EarthShock and FS/LvB.

I feel like its less complex.

I can’t choose to funnel damage with CL and Earthquake. My priority damage will be down. I just don’t like the rigid decoupling. SL Ele seems like a solid step back from BFA Ele.

Edit:

I was initially excited when they stated our design goal was to rely more on managing FS and focusing on LvB. It just feels like the entire design is contrary.

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Ele seems broken in the new xpac. Thanks to the legacy of Celestoucher and Ion Hazznofknclue I don’t expect much to change. Bink effed us by talking to Celestoucher about mages of all things. I fully expect to be useless until late game for mythic plus.

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Well you cant really do this. SoP only procs off of a 6 fulmination earthshock. So you need to cast 4-6 lb to get enough fulmination. In order to buff eq, you need to cast chain lightning, meaning your not casting lbs and building fulmination meaning no SoP. And even if you do spread a bunch of flame shock and turret lb, that means you are spending less global casting lb, which you guessed it means less fulmination and less SoP. The issue ele in SL is that you have 3 core systems that conflict. You can only do 1 at a time, since if you do one your losing you generation in the other. What they can do is have lb generate fulmination and make earthquake use fulmination instead of seismic thunder, but at that point you are basically BFA ele with fulmination instead of maelstrom.

Except TM generates Maelstrom stacks.

Except you could hold maelstrom stacks from previous engagement (grinding, pvping, m+)

Except you could hold stacks of seismic thunder from previous engagement (grinding, pvping, m+)

It will depend on the degradation of stacks which I havent seen anyone cover. Are they like combo points or will they act like the current maelstrom bar and lose stacks after x time.

This isnt to include boss fights with spawning add waves.

Could keep going…

The point is that currently you have to choose to spend for aoe or spend for ST.

In the proposed SL system you could (granted in theory, we still arent in beta) flow between the two without jeopardizing one or the other.

You can do this on live already. Maelstrom degrades really slowly

Uhhhh, totem mastery has been changed and does not generate stacks anymore.

Yes you can technically cast earthquake and earthshock back to back in the current iteration of SL. However, in SL it still should be around the same amount of global to build. 6 for the earthshock and 6 for the earthquake. However, the flexibility you lose to change from single target, funneling, and aoe without any ramp up time really hurts. In SL in order to swap from one to the other you have to spend so many global ramping up.

Can you link the source for this. Everything I have seen doesnt show the change. Not saying you arent right I just would like to see what the apparent change is.

i will split my lvling between both right now i main enhancement and i haven’t tried ele since mop so i will try it. And eventually gear for both.

I cannot post links yet on the fourms, but the new totem mastery has a spell ID of 333925. Look up the elemental shaman talent calculator for SL on wowhead and you will see the new design.

I dono what to do. WHats going to be better elemental or enhancement. I know how to do both but i only wanna pick one. Whats better? Ive mained shaman since BC an i dont have a clue for SL which spec to main.

enhance is still looking ok if you’re ready to radically change rotation.

PvE, both will work. Don’t expect a raid spot as Enhancement in the elitist guilds, unfortunately WF Totem doesn’t do enough.

PvP, don’t play Enhancement unless they get changed. Elemental is doing very well.