Enhancement Nerf

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I do not think this nerf for enhancement is fair. When is ok to just say “we are nerfing a spec 25%” with no explanation or answers? I get that parts of enhancement spec were over performing but an explanation would be very helpful. With other class nerfs blizzard often provides an explanation of why they are nerfing a class, hell with Elemental they picked and chose what ability to buff. But enhancement gets just 25% nerf to EVERYTHING. That is not an insignificant change and feels really bad and honestly makes me want to just go back to warrior main when I was really excited to play enhancement come DF. If you just want to nerf the entire spec 25%, ok, fine. But could you please give us some details why? Did flame shock need 25%? Did frost shock need 25%? how about chain lightning? Thanks for any info.

I really wanted to play enhance but if this nerf makes it a bottom tier spec im going to play something else, and I’m not even a hug min maxer. I just want an actually chance at top 3 dps in mythic prog, thank you for your time.

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I posted this on the beta forums.

Dear Blizzard,

While I know you may not even read this I feel better writing this knowing there might be a chance you do. Is it possible like how you’ve did with Discipline Priest get a in-depth post on the recent Nerfs towards Enhancement spec.

While I do agree certain nerfs where inevitable, certain skills such as Elemental Blast was hitting ridiculously high, I thought certain skills would be nerfed and tuned down to be more inline with other dps classes, but never did I imagine such a across the board nerf would be warranted.

Playing Enhancement over the last few months since I’ve had access to now the beta servers actually rejuvenated my love and passion for the spec, “Finally Enhance was back to being truely fun again”, it brought back so much nostalgia I had from MoP expansion, I was falling back in love with my favourite old spec.

I really do hope you could provide some insight and clarity on the decision made, would further tuning happen?, are you happy currently where Enhance is post nerf?. My biggest fear and worry is now with this nerf you really created further issues especially with the talent system.

Enhancement has lost its build diversity through the talent tree, it’s gutted the build diversity immensely and now we have to try and scrounge the most optimal build regardless if we enjoy it or not to optimise our dps as efficiently as possible to stay competitive.

I say this because while on beta, I played a build I truely fell in love with, through days of tweaking and different iterations I turned up with a fun, decent build focused on Stormstrike, while yes it may not be optimal but it did decent enough dps inline with most other dps averaging out between 35-50k dps overall, honestly it was more so dependant on how many or when deeply rooted elements procd. I actually tried to prepare for the Elemental Blast nerf so I choose not to run it.

Now my fun build, that was performing decently well, outside of certain other dps specs killing the dps metres, I’m doing absolutely rubbish dps. Certain Tanks are pretty much on par with my dps and I’m now left with a horrible non viable build. It’s truely upsetting and kills the motivation to play Enhancement.

While it’s still truely plays the same, and is fun, it definitely no where able to perform in high keys or raiding :pensive:.

I just hope you could reconsider certain nerfs to skills and abilities that weren’t over performing, and just give a little insight and clarification on the changes, a little communication will definitely go a long way.

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Is this a prepatch nerf? Or are we diving into dragonflight totally gimped? I’ve never seen anything like this. What the hell man. This is crazy.

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It feels like lay devs or they just don’t give a **** about the community they are effecting. Like ok, you think a 25% nerf on EVERYTHING is warranted, can we at least get one sentence why? not everyone is on the beta or a high end pvper.

Sometimes I feel like some devs just care more about the community than others :frowning:

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Beta, we are in shambles, basically you need to pick now most viable talents to be competitive at the low end of the dps metres :(. Sort of killed build diversity, it’s back to meta or nothing.

The Nerf crushed me, don’t get me wrong Enhance is still fun to play, but doing abysmal dps is very disheartening.

I’m really hoping…more like praying things get tuned and balanced, Elemental Blast was hitting like a truck, I agree that should of been nerfed, I didn’t even run it cause I anticipated it be nerfed hard, but never in a million years I could have seen such a insane nerf hitting the spec as a whole.

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I couldn’t tell you if it was really warranted at all, but I’m still finishing mythic + right now in mid 20ks.

The spec is also really RNG based. I don’t know boss names because I don’t care that much but the first one in grim rail I finished at 29K.

I know it’s going to slow down a bit because I do use the frost shock conduit so I do get quite a bit of malestorm.

What people don’t try and compare is I pull the same numbers majority of the pools because we don’t have any long offensives.

Where other classes will only pull high numbers every few pulls. From lots of things I read we are still high mid when it comes to DF.

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What nerf exactly did we get? I have not noticed any change.

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Pretty much everyone agrees they went overboard, especially because they hit literally all forms of dmg we do.

All they had to do was prevent elemental wolves from triple buffing ele last and also reduce bonus spell dmg per stack of maelstrom by 3-5%.

That’s it.

Instead they went crazy and just did everything by 25%.

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They nerfed Enhance 25% on everything.

Enhance can still perform decently, but only if playing the meta build. Standard Fire Nova build in Shadowlands.

My biggest issue is they’ve just made everything else pointless, I was having so much fun on Beta trying different builds, personally I dislike how Enhance played in Shadowlands and finally other builds were viable and did decent dps and were competitive especially in PvE.

With this nerf, they might aswell make our talent tree a straight line with just the talents we use in Shadowlands cause now if you wanna play outside the meta you basically “trolling” your team.

My build which I loved on Beta, focused more on Stormstrike and Crash Lightning, it’s now a meme build…

In short, if you enjoyed Enhance in Shadowlands and happy to play that exact same way in Dragonflight you’ll be fine, if you wanted any slight variation going into a new expansion with a fancy new talent system, you’ll be very disappointed.

I was expecting this, I choose to not run Elemental blast purely because I knew it was going to be nerfed, never did I expect this type of nerf.

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I have not even noticed any difference, to be honest. Do not forget we are gear-dependent maybe gear is what you need. Just an idea. Maybe that is why I haven’t noticed because I have been getting better and better gear for the last week.

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I think you’ll notice more if you mix up your builds, through Beta testing, my fun build use to at max do 50k overall, although was highly dependent on when Deeply Rooted Elements procd, but was very decent.

Same build after nerf, 30k average now after running a few m+ dungeons.

Which is horrendous when tanks are overall dpsing higher especially Prot Warriors pulling 60k dps. But most tanks 40-50k dps.

Mind you, this is running with 4 tier set bonus, OP glacial fury flasks and enchants at ilvl 403 on beta.

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The key word there is “BETA” you arent on Beta anymore. If you want to be top dog and hit like a tank then stay on Beta otherwise might want to be posting in the beta comments. I don’t play with enchants, and I forget to pop a flask yet even so on retail I have not seen any change in the damage. Maybe others have and if they do let them tell you.

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Frost shock build right now with conduit is way stronger than fire nova

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The 25% nerf went live as well.

You’re 262 ilvl, with little history to speak of so its unsurprising you haven’t noticed a change.

The spec can still do “decent” right now while its propped up by covenant, leggo and conduit combos that won’t exist in a couple weeks.

There has unquestionably been a big hit to dps, I can’t help but feel like you’re just making this up to be inciteful tbh

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Legendary isn’t really a thing for enhance right now. Mythic plus and raiding big legendary we spec into and it doesn’t double dip. Conduit bonus really only useful for LL and frost shock generates MS.

What I have picked not losing anything at all when legendarys go away. Losing a bit with conduits.

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Completly different topic.

That was what I was referencing.

And your point is. You do realize that there are a lot of people on this forum who do not talk much. That doesn’t make their point invalid.

You know what F this. This isn’t even worth my time, effort, or debate anymore. People are going to complain no matter what. I am going back to the game.

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Yes it is, currently we can take a combination of talents that completely avoids splintered elements while we have unity for example

Look I’m sorry I upset you, but the unavoidable truth is we lost 1/4 of our DPS and it is very noticeable. You might not see it, but it is pretty plain to see unfortunately.

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What blows my mind is we haven’t gotten a single word from any dev to explain such a huge across the board nerf. Please can we some kind of communication on this?

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Due to the conduit being 20%, it is better to drop it and pick up frost shock generating two MS. Gives you more stacks and is more constant and a better ST DPS increase and a huge AOE increase.

Compared to a lot of other specs they can swap around and in a way have three to four legendaries effects.

Playing enhance specifically for raiding and mythic + we are picking the legendaries from the tree.

So our biggest loss going into DF is losing the frost shock conduit. But getting five more points. Depending how you spend it, you might not miss the conduit that much depending if you use it for MS generation.

Honestly enhances not in a bad spot at all. People just complain if they’re not in the top five. Out of 30 something DPS specs. Majority of them are not in the top five and every single forum is full of everyone crying that they can’t be in the top five.

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I’m praying we get atleast the same treatment that Discipline Priests got when they got a nerf, atleast after the outrage a few days later they got a Dev post and actually got the nerfs reversed.

What kills me the most is they see the community disappointment, yet are dead silent.

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