End the war on solo gameplay in WoW

During the first tier of SL, I ran every new member, alt, and leveled up member through torghast up to cap.

I ran so many people through that rubbish torghast dozens of times, week after week, for months. Sometimes they didn’t stick around or got poached.

I only look down on people who are too lazy to try and just sit there acting entitled to get everything the team I worked hard to build earns without a fraction of the effort.

That’s a bit extreme. I disagree with termination of accounts, but I’d like to see what would happen if all the highest level rewards were on a vendor for gold what would happen.

People would probably just quit.

What’s wrong with people helping themselves?

It boggles the mind that less-skilled players act like others should carry them or people assuming less-skilled players don’t want to succeed on their own.

There are guilds that just scrape by for AOTC before the tier ends, and that’s sometimes largely puggable content by week 2.

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The more solo content the better. Glad there is going to be solo queuing now. Should go a lot further, too.

If I wanted to play Diablo 3, I would just play diablo 3.

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Yeah but this is World of Warcraft and not Diablo 3 whatsoever. Pretty strange you think If a game has solo content then it must be Diablo 3. Bizarre, even.

If in theory that WOW allows top end gear (the absolute best) to be obtained without any grouping, it would devalue what WOW represents.

Well, on this one, it is a bit hard for some to grasp that less skilled players do want to succeed on their own, yet that means completely on their own. Yet there are no current paths of progression that would enable such that don’t require some form of group play.

Can you quote these statements, would love to be able to see them!

Its not Blizzard’s responsibility to balance the game around those people. While it sucks they have those issues you don’t punish the majority because of the minority.

But that was vanilla and the honor system. And it was extremely successful. Even today at least half or more of the WoW community enjoys that version. The eSports version of WoW is not as well loved.

?? Vanilla did not give the absolute best gear to solo players. The honor system was a farce and inaccessible to the majority.

You could easily solo your way to rank 14 and have the best gear in the game. I did it with a full-time job. Before cross server play on medium or low pop servers, you didn’t even have to play all day because games weren’t going on all day.

The problem is what you like is very pigeonholed and you think that’s what wow needs to be like. But the shared online experience of a massive amount of players can be much greater than the small box you live in.

Are we talking about vanilla or the bastardization called “classic?” Also, pretty sure Naxx gear trumped PVP r14 gear which was better than MC, and worse than BWL?

Vanilla. And I’m talking about before Naxx. Rank 14 gear was the best. I mean we can debate that all day but you’re not going to start claiming that it wasn’t top tier gear.

There’s no reason not to have such a route in this game.

Then I’ll take “yea that happened, for 500, Alex.”
Accessibility was not one of Vanilla’s pvp system’s selling points.

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PvP isn’t solo content.

Only after cross server was implimented. Before crossover you didn’t have to play all day. Like I said, you’re only used to what you’ve already seen. There is so much more of this game can be.

I don’t need to make a party to succeed in it and get the best gear in the game. If you don’t want to call that solo play, that’s fine but that’s the only dynamic being asked for.

I do not recall r14 being easily achievable by anyone. Maybe on dead servers?

I feel like people who only play solo have never been in a good guild.

I just finished my trial at my new guild.

In the first three weeks

  • I had multiple people in the raid team run mplus with me with the people playing Alts to help me farm the WS staff

  • a guy from my previous guild got fed up with their stuff and requested to join the new guild. He offered them the choice to boost a toon and he went from 180 (or whatever the boosted toons start at) to 290 in two weeks with people helping him in multiple dungeon farming groups and this is a guy that wasn’t even a trial for the main team yet until he got to 270 the first week. This is a guy that they had never met and had a brief conversation with.

  • another guy came back to the guild and we have been doing leather funnel groups to help get him geared as well.

Just surprised me that people hate group content so much

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