That’s not at all what the US constituion says though. It just says that congress cannot create laws that prohibit the freedom of speech.
It’s not a free pass to be racist.
Why are you talking allways about rassist if the topic actually is …wow?
I’m confused.
I mean i said it four or five times now…its about the freedom of the artists of wow and your argument is: hatespeech, rassist and other extremes
The topic is cultural influence, cultural appropriation and cultural stereotypes.
You are wrong that WoW races don’t have irl cultural influences and sexism and racism at play in the portrayal of these fantasy races. WoW has a lot of negative portrayals of irl races and racist biases.
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Äh nop, the topic is that wow had never claimed to be a reflection of an rl culture and its therefore the freedom of an artist which elements of inspiration he want to use
I never said it has not stereotypes, all fantasy universes have such things but…its not a copy past of an rl culture and never wanted to be one
That may be what you think the topic is but that’s the arguement you are trying to make, and it’s wrong.
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The American constitution does not itself spell out most of the limitations of free speech, but over the centuries the supreme court has. In essence, your freedom of speech ends where it begins to unreasonably encroach on someone else’s. Normally. There is a lot of fine print on what constitutes “unreasonable”.
Trying to really get into it would require digging into a lot of legal doctrine and precedent which is wholly beyond the scope of this forum.
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Repeating myself for a third time because really if the above is too much for you to handle you’re a crap writer with limited imagination
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Boy I do love how some people like reducing any creativity to fantasy races to just regular humans with no discernible differences besides the coat of cultural paint that’s pasted over them.
The same people are trying to change Dark Elves and Orcs because they project their own issues on them and thinks somehow these totally made up races represent people of color.
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Drow have a lot of issues in their traditional depiction as “dark skinned beings who are evil and cursed by the gods” which does draw on some… unfortunate stereotypes, when you also consider it’s the obstinately Caucasian elves who are the “good ones” who remain the favorites of the gods.
It runs parallel to the idea that those of who have African decent are descendants of Cain and their skin shows the “curse of god”, which is still actually a disturbingly common idea in some corners of the world.
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And yet somehow they are the most fascinating with living underground, a matriarchal society, an evil goddess that turns them into spiders. The saddest thing about the drow is that they are the edge lord race so innocent fans like myself are discriminated against.
Why would I want to change that for some insane minority who wants to homogenize everything?
They also live in caves and sunlight hurts them. Does the light hurt people of color?
Seems like we are cherry-picking to suit our own biased hot takes.
Drow were not photosensitive prior to Corellon’s curse. They were back then just known as Dark Elves, and incidentally their skin was not so onyx black before the curse either, it was more a dark brown. So… yea… Also, they didn’t always live underground. They were forced to do that as well as they fled when Lollth’s war against the pantheon was lost.
Right and thats the lore behind it and now all people like see is.
Black skin? Evil? RACISM! we must change this.
You don’t have to believe in stereotypes to see connections to them in fictional races. If the creator doesn’t intend them to be problematic, what’s wrong with iterating on the design to try to hammer it out, mitigate it, or at least try to keep the depiction neutral or more positive?
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Because then everyone just becomes humans with different costumes. They all think the same, have the same morals, same values and etc. Why would I want the Drow to be another flavor of High Elf? I like them as they are.
And at no point did I ever consider them as representative of a minority or people of color. When people make those comparisons, I wonder if this is an issue that they have to associate people of color with the evil drow society that some do break out of.
Was that not supposed to be the appeal of the horde races in WoW, though? I thought that was the point; taking traditional monster races and making people out of them, and the game’s method of doing that was by basing them off of real-world cultures as a base to differentiate them from medieval European humans.
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Writing very often has unconscious biases and prejudices we get from our culture written into it. That is something we as the readers have a responsibility to call out. It does not mean making everyone homogenized. It means being mindful as a writer and avoiding those pitfalls. You can write interesting races that don’t pull on harmful stereotypes.
Not gonna touch that.
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Dark Elf Society: Evil.
Drizzt: Not evil.
As far as I know the drow have no similarities with any real life cultures unless there is a matriarchal theocracy with some bdsm sprinkled on it somewhere that I didn’t hear about.
When everyone behaves the same, then we get homogenization. Because everyone has to adhere to the social norms we have.
How the Law is enforced bespeaks of the character of the enforcer. Those angels that Lot helped escape stood by while Lot offered his own daughters to the mob to “use”. When Lot’s family escaped the city, God turned his wife into a pillar of salt for the crime of looking back at her home. When children made fun of the prophet Elisha’s beard, The Lord sent bears to turn them into bloody bits.
That’s a brutal level of law enforcement that would give Judge Dredd pause.
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You’re still trying to deflect blame off the lawbreakers onto the enforcers, @ Drahliana .
Don’t blame the angels for Lot’s bad decision offering his daughters to the mob; the mob didn’t get him or his daughters (in fact the angels blinded several of the mob). Lot and his family were instructed not to look back… again, you blame the one enforcing the law instead of the one who broke it.
As for your strawman argument about Elisha and the bears;
- The Bible says “youths”, which can refer to teens or young adults (the King James Version says “children”, but the Hebrew word is more for young adults).
- “Mauled” does not equal killed - not all animal maulings are deadly or even cause dismemberment.
- There were more than 42 people harassing Elisha - Scripture says at least 42 were mauled. What would you do if a gang of 42+ teenagers started following you around and mocking you? Children can be dangerous or even kill - like child soldiers - how much moreso a gang of teens or young adults?
- Their mockery was about more than his hair. Elisha’s baldness may be: 1) natural loss of hair; 2) a shaved head denoting his separation to the prophetic office; or more likely, 3) an epithet of scorn, Elisha not being literally bald. The phrase “go up” likely was a reference to Elijah, Elisha’s mentor, being taken up to Heaven earlier in 2 Kings chapter 2:11-12. These youths were sarcastically taunting and insulting the Lord’s prophet by telling him to repeat Elijah’s translation.
Judge Dredd would beat up and throw people in jail for singing too loudly (noise violation), don’t try to paint him as the more merciful one.
Gonna go out on a limb and guess Baal et al don’t want people prosecuted for insensitive portrayal of the Tauren, so this whole long benighted thread seems like a red herring to Baal’s original point. Whether the US Constitution does or doesn’t protect specific artistic expression isn’t pertinent to whether a given portrayal deserves criticism.
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