No wonder the Barrowknoll Cemetery Whispers mentions of an unknown someone:
“She seeks that which must be earned by sacrifice.”
Elisande at the moment of her death stated that she felt that Time was slipping away from her asking why must that be so. A version of her backstabbed her for the sake of becoming the Aspect of Time herself!
She read the Titan Disk and read about how to become the Aspect of Time and drained a version of herself for that reason ensuring that we won. She was quite surprised that her actions ensured her victory and sided with us against Gul’dan before finishing her work with the Nightwell.
Her knowledge created a Time Aspect Elisande and will provide us with the knowledge to create a Time Aspect Nozdormu(by having him drain his Alternate Selves).
Iridikron did tell us “Have you ever wondered why the Titans preserve this Timeline?”
There is One True Timeline for every Individual and all other Instances are lies. The last one to the gate is the Real One.
In otherwords the Elisande we fought was the false one while we ourselves the true versions of ourselves.
The Aspects will now soon understand the nature of True Timelines. There is only this moment for each person which is the first lesson. Murozond is fuel for Aspect Nozdormu.
The fact that Blizzard says that Morchie ain’t done after the Dungeon probably indicates that once Chromie understands the One True Path she will decide that there will instead be Two True Paths for herself in particular and make sure a Morchie is permitted to exist and become her own rope. Of course that means Chromie must unravel herself.
This theory raises one question; what effect would draining time have on those alternate selves? Elisande didn’t die in the Nighthold because “time was drained”, she died because our PCs killed her.
Apart from that, good theory. I think her having the Eye of Aman’thul will play a big role in this.
50% HP, Time Layer 3
“Time is… slipping away! How can it be so?”
Elisande likely forced the thread of her Time Magic’s rope to converge on her Timeline’s Time Magic’s thread to increase her power. The Eye of Aman’Thul can probably also converge all versions of the Magics of every other Timeline’s version of the Aspects onto the MU Aspects restoring their Aspectral Status.
An Elisande who is Aspect of Arcane Time(equal to Nozdormu the Aspect of the Sands of Time) would obviously value Supercontinent Kalimdor to the point where she might converge all versions of Supercontinent Kalimdor onto the Maelstrom replacing it giving us the Next Expansion’s Continent.
Hey that was a nice quote to bolster your idea when questioned.
That quote actually does make it make more sense, even if it is all pieced together after the fact, and probably not what was intended by the quote when designed.
I’m rather surprised that they decided to bring Elisande into the Tyr storyline. I’m now wondering if Thalyssra will get involved or if it will stick with the current group.
I always thought it was strange there was an achievement involving an Infinite Whelpling associated with Elisande in the Nighthold raid.
An alternate timeline Thalyssra, or our Thalyssra? With how the writers characterize our Thalyssra as hopelessly weak and incompetent, the former seems more interesting to me.
It would not surprise me if one of the reasons “Elisande Prime” is even a thing is because she made sure Thalyssra was dead in her time line. While the other Elisandes left the task to subordinates, or left Thalyssra’s fate in question.
I will never understand why Thalyssra electing not to fight Jaina in the middle of Stormwind, the Alliance capital, when the Horde strike team was trying to leave the city asap makes her seen as weak.
At least I’m assuming that’s why you have that view… people with that view tend to cite that moment, hence my assumption.
I think it’s fair for her to have a degree of caution, but Thalyssra sounds like she’s quaking in her boots when Jaina approaches. It feels dissonant because Thalyssra just came off leading a whole rebellion against Grand Magistrix Elisande on Elisande’s home turf, and we don’t see any trace of this hesitance. However, Thalyssra’s resolve all but evaporates when faced with Jaina.
This is obviously my own personal bias here, but BFA seemed like it was full of “OMG, look at super special ultra mage Jaina Proudmoore!”. I found it grating.
Thalyssra’s characterization in the Stormwind Extraction, while certainly sensible given the parameters of their mission, do nothing to shake my view that there is an almost hyper-focus on depicting Thalyssra as weak, incapable, and outclassed at every turn.
We’re talking about an over 10,000 year old elf who belongs to a race that is described as having unrivaled mastery over the arcane; would it have been too big of an ask for Thalyssra and Jaina’s face off to end in a stalemate?
Here are some other examples of Thalyssra’s ineptitude. I’m sure if I really went digging I could find even more examples, but we’re talking about a character that is a relatively “new” addition to WoW’s roster being given a pretty consistent depiction as being weak.
In Stormwind Extraction, as 7th legion Battlemages engage them:
Rokhan says: Dat be some nasty voodoo. Thalyssra? First Arcanist Thalyssra says: It is a nullification field. I cannot cast!
In Stormwind Extraction, as Worgen are hurling themselves at her shield:
First Arcanist Thalyssra says: There are too many… the barrier will not hold!
In Nazjatar, during the Disruption of Power quest:
First Arcanist Thalyssra says: Return quickly. I can only hold this barrier for so long.
In Shadows Rising (Chapter 27), Thalyssra teleports a group of Horde forces to Dazar’alor:
“It put considerable strain on Thalyssra to teleport all of us here, Thrall says.”
During the Purge of Dalaran there’s an eerily similar setup where Rommath is having to tiptoe around and avoid drawing Jaina’s ire. The lesson here is that no amount of intense study, practice or talent mean absolutely anything in the face of HuMaN pOtEnTiAl
I don’t really think about Thalyssra much. She seems to be coming up as a topic because Elisande was so well received. I don’t see myself as some Thalyssra booster, and certainly not a hater. But if people want to discuss her…
I think it stands to reason that Thalyssra is unaccustomed to the strain of using magic outside her bubble. She may have been around for thousands of years - pre and post sundering- but a lot of that time was literally in a bubble.
Jaina, in her comparatively short time, experienced the Legion, the Scourge, the Old Gods, the Maw…
And the event that gets Thalyssra so much hate - the Stormwind Extraction - happens after The Battle of Lordaeron. After Jaina single handedly turned the tide of the battle with her flying battleship, leveling arcane broadsides that brought down the ramparts of Undercity, and dissipating the blight with a wave of her hand.
Thalyssra even remarks about the flying ship at the end of BfA. She had that feat on her mind.
Ah, yes, how could I forget the famously conflict-free pre-sundering Azeroth where the Night Elves politely began their conquest of Ancient Kalimdor.
What stands to reason is that Thalyssra should be well accustomed to the strain of using magic without the Nightwell considering that her limitations are an almost constant focal point for any of her appearances. Keep in mind, we’re talking about Thalyssra becoming tuckered out from basic uses of magic (barriers and teleportation).
It also stands to reason that, Thalyssra, as an unrivaled master of the arcane who studied her craft in relative peace for 10,000 years in Suramar, would possess esoteric knowledge that would give her an advantage in some regard. NOPE.
She says she can’t fight Jaina, even with the whole group behind her. Not that there is no time, or that the circumstances are wrong.
She also gushes with admiration about Jaina’s flying ship. When it comes to Jaina, Thalyssra comes across as a starry-eyed admirer who doesn’t believe herself to be on the same level.
We killed a version of her. Remember how she kept rewinding the battle and then her echo told us she never imagined we could win. Turns out that was a Thanatos gambit where winning or losing was never the point. She won either way and apparently she had Tyr’s disc which well makes her even more powerful. Maybe even a version of her from AU… either way Elisande is not dead.
We did kill Elisande but the disc was sent into the timeways and it came into the possession of a past/alternate (I’m unclear on this part) version of Elisande which has bolstered her powers and they are concerned how getting the disc back from her will go.
10.2 is concluding the Tyr quest line. Once we have the disk we will have everything to reboot him as in 10.1.7 we fetched the bits from between the disk’s recording and tyr’s death. now we just need the rest of his mind.