lemme guess, you never even watched the video clip did you?
lol
yea they quite literally have a zero tolerance policy for anything deemed anywhere remotely offensive
Gotta love how Theloras manages to turn a thread about elemental shamans into his 10th thread about how /sit exploiting server latency is definitely intended behaviour guys™ and should be in Classic.
In an attempt to get the thread (somewhat) back on track, I’ll reply to this:
That would require the raid to hinder itself and throw Power Infusions and Innervates on the shaman. The only videos I can find of elemental shamans is from a guy in Red Sector A, and that guy is only getting top 5 DPS on individual trash fights, not on bosses. In fact, he’s healing on bosses (and getting top 5 healing there, but that’s not DPS charts). Just because I can be at the top of the damage charts on some trash pulls on my hunter doesn’t mean I’m able to top the charts on bosses, or even come close to doing it.
Like I said earlier in the thread (before the 40 back and forth posts derailing the thread), I don’t care if you bring an elemental to the raid. Do it, for the memes, for fun, because you like to the guy or to make people angry on some internet forums. Just don’t try to justify it as a good idea, because it isn’t.
Sorry, but they don’t want the hunters either past BWL
SoC has a delayed activation, however from a layman’s perspective the second proc of SoB/SoJ/SoL/SoW/SoV was probably caused by the proc forcing the auto into the same batch that was sent to the server. Therefore the auto had the chance (or guarantee in SoB’s case) of proccing the seal.
Totem twisting works because your buff totems pulses have 10 seconds of buff uptime from the last pulse.
I thought this thread was about Elemental Shaman viability?
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I will refer you to replies 3 and 4. It’s been answered. Arguments and clarifications are the only reason these threads ever get beyond 10-20 posts.
Didn’t happen… look up the vids… He did it because he was an over-achiever.
And sometimes mages have to stop dpsing to decurse O_o means nothing
He got all the flasks he needed, world buffs, potions, runes that most people don’t bother getting.
Mind posting a link to those vids? I’m looking at logs right now and can’t find a single shaman that’s ever went past 600 dps on Patchwerk. The only times I’ve seen hybrids topping the charts were either ferals going full tryhard with crowd pummelers and when Esfand was popping every consumeable on his ret and getting BiS loot funneled to him while his guildies weren’t popping many consumeables.
Objectively speaking, it was probably due to the way data was batched and then sent in packets. So really, it was how the game was purposely built in the first place. Saying it’s an exploit is like calling running into the acid river in Naxx to reduce your health for the Patchwerk fight an exploit.
Or another option, I know this is a little crazy for some people to understand, is that the raid group isn’t optimizing out so the bar is set a lot lower.
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I don’t have logs of it, but i’ve had ele-shaman in my raid group make top 10 dps.
Now I’m not sure the raw dps number, but yeah it was probably around 600 dps.
Patchwork needs 9500 raidwide dps to down the fight…
lets say there is 25 dps…
9500/25= 380dps…
as long as the ele-shaman is doing more than 380dps… he is doing more than his share.
THis is why I am saying, you guys are WAY overestimating the dps requirement for fights…
Specifically, Windfury Totem does that. Windfury Totem pulses a buff onto your weapon, not onto your character, which means that it doesn’t stack with sharpening stones or rogue poisons or shaman weapon buffs (all of which are also a buff onto the weapon and not on the character).
The other totems have a buff that lasts only until the next server tick, which means that it’s theoretically possible to (for example) twist Stoneskin Totem and Strength of Earth Totem, but you would have some downtime on each buff and you would have to spend every GCD doing nothing but alternating between the two totems (which would annihilate your mana pool). Totem twisting, as a mechanic, is really pretty specific to the way Windfury Totem works.
You should see this video… and the guest is an experienced vanilla ele shaman.
starting at 3:55
Damn I got schooled hard on this one. Either way, an enh shaman is probably going to be the only one with spare mana for twisting.
Most likely, yeah. Even at only needing to redrop WF/Grace of Air (or Tranquil Air) every 10 seconds, it’s still pretty painful on the ol’ mana pool.
Totem twisting wasn’t really a well-known mechanic in vanilla and I personally didn’t get into doing it until BC, but thinking on my general mana usages as a resto shaman…I probably could have done it on farm content, but definitely not on progression.
It’s only roughly 18 mana per second with rank 1 and tranquil air, so I could see that.
cuz you continue to troll me yet you have no argument against the guy who literally designed every class/spec in Vanilla WoW lol…
that’s why
i mean did you even watch the video clip where Kevin Jordan says that Totem Twisting literally went against the design for how totems were supposed to operate?
yet due to technical limitations, he just said to hell with it and left it in the game - just like Seal Twisting and mashing your X button to gain Reck charges ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
well that’s just it - Seal Twisting was actually in the game ever since patch 1.11 when Seal of Command was given its 0.5 sec proc delay but it wasn’t discovered until mid TBC by Slayton - who even then as an Alliance player - opened it up to be used by Blood Elf Paladins so that they could do damage like this all on one swing:
Faptamerica
[June 20th, 2008 - 10:10 am]
20:53′52.859 Faptamerica gains Seal of Command
20:53′54.093 Faptamerica gains 1 Attack from Windfury Attack
20:53′54.093 Faptamerica’s Swing hits Brutallus for 1166 Physical damage (glancing)
20:53′54.453 Faptamerica gains Seal of Blood
20:53′54.453 Faptamerica gains Windfury Attack
20:53′54.546 Faptamerica’s Seal of Command hits Brutallus for 1661 Holy damage
20:53′54.546 Faptamerica’s Swing hits Brutallus for 1393 Physical damage (glancing)
20:53′54.671 Faptamerica gains 20 Mana from Mana Spring of Mana Spring Totem V
20:53′55.328 Faptamerica’s Seal of Blood crits Brutallus for 1858 Holy damage
20:53′55.328 Faptamerica’s Seal of Blood crits Brutallus for 1907 Holy damage
20:53′55.687 Faptamerica’s Seal of Blood hits Brutallus for 633 Holy damage (201 resisted)
http://web.archive.org/web/20080706232318/http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2008/05/how-to-seal-twist/
I’m not sure the relevance or point of posting this? I know how seal twisting worked
It was pretty fun sometimes, though. The ret paladin I raided with did end up killing himself a few times (sometimes from pulling aggro, sometimes from just a ton of SoB hits, one time on netherspite when he judged blood by accident and did himself 90k damage) with the aid of windfury totem.
well I have to admit - it does come from a bit of jealousy if I am honest with both you and myself - alas I suffered as a lowly Alliance player through TBC and hated the entire xpac for not having SoB along with a littany of other reasons
only to finally get Seal of Blood/Martyr in LK but to then have it rudely taken away once and for all a patch later in 3.1 