I leveled a frost mage after 10.1.5, and they just feel strictly better. More instant cast spells, more impactful, much less setup, good AOE and single target.
My elemental shaman is like doing calculus by hand just to get damage rolling.
Flame Shock + Icefury + Frost Shock + Lava Burst just to get Elemental Blast to do less damage than one Glacial Spike? And the setup on Glacial Spike is so much easier. Literally faceroll.
Get rid of our pets if they’re just going to be long cooldowns at the beginning of the tree. How is that a good button up there? And when you get Primal Elementalist, it’s just more ability bloat.
The core m+ rotation of EB → CL → EQ → CL - EB feels decent, but there’s just too much you need to weave in on top of it. Lava Burst, Icefury, Frost Shock, Stormkeeper? Blergh.
Mage is in a WAY better spot than Elemental.
8 Likes
This guy gets it!
I love frost mage and ele shaman and I too get frustrated with all the set up for lack of effective dps. Shaman used to be much simpler and fun to play.
The tuning on elemental is awful and Non-competitive at any level.
9 Likes
you can drop Icefury without much potential dps loss and have a way lower skill cap.
with the new tier bonus there’s no rotation lag without it anyways.
But as to the wet noodle feels, that’s a blizz problem.
2 Likes
FTFY. Mage is like one of the safest mains you could ever have in this game.
4 Likes
I don’t want to see EQ go, but it really sucks trying to use with tanks that walk out of it. I know there are other specs that have ground effects, but it feels like us and Wound Build Unholy suffer the most from tanks leaving our AoE.
4 Likes
Have you just…practiced the spec? Being a more difficult spec isn’t a problem. Elemental is one of the most fun casters in this game because of how engaging and “complex” it is. You also don’t need to take Icefury if you don’t want to.
5 Likes
Why play Ele when Enhance is 1000x more fun
2 Likes
I love Ele shaman, I almost said “don’t change a thing” but idk if that’s true… It would be nice to have a raid buff or utility of some kind.
Sure we have wind rush, but that’s something resto & enhance already have on top of spirit link and windfury. Would be nice to feel like I brought something else.
Bring back buff totems or something would be my vote.
1 Like
Losing dps to make a spec more fluid shouldnt be the norm though.
2 Likes
Is this about single target M+ or just ele in general? Personally im a big fan of elementals spells weaving together buffing one another into a big elemental blast. maybe eles fallen behind on tuning a bit but, besides maybe easing up on the amount of GCDs eles have to stomach, i wouldnt change the gameplay loop and just buff some numbers.
Also breaking news, mage is privileged as hell we just kind of have to deal with it
Also also, give ele their own elemental shield that does something and give us totem of wrath that gives ua and our group like 5% more critical damage :]
1 Like
I’m maining Ele this tier and what you described is exactly why I’m switching off of it next tier. In order to do optimal dps you absolutely need to set up just about every spell. If the buffs/debuffs lasted longer that would be a slight help too, but having to have 2-4 modifiers just to get that top damage is a little nuts when you have classes that just press a button when it becomes available
1 Like
Also in M+ tanks need to be aware of ele’s profile and not move packs a lot, but since ele isn’t popular in keys no one really knows that
My biggest issue is why is an earthquake localized to a point of having less AOE than a literal fart? We dont need starfall levels of range but making EQ larger or able to be placed on a mob and have it follow them similar to how starfall follows your character fixes most problems in m+
2 Likes
I mean, this is an absolutely massive DPS loss when you factor in electrified shocks and lightning rod bonus.
2 Likes
I agree. I miss a effective firebuild. It’s too much setup to get mediocre dps. We do alright single target, the rigid roatation for the timing of Stormkeeper is tedious to say the least. Very immobile, and i am squishy as hell. Too boot, we have to do okay single target for crap aoe. Or do okay aoe for crap single target. The back and forth target tabbing for Lightning Rod and transitioning from Ele Blast and Earthquake (which needs redesigning) is the cherry.
3 Likes
This is a real problem for me in PvP.
In PvE I feel like I hit for decent numbers whilst farming renown.
Different story in BG’s. It’s like the enemy health bar doesn’t even move……
Wait a second … ive been an ele/resto main since wrath and you are telling me ele is a COMPLICATED spec to play? Im playing the wrong class then what should i choose if i just want to press two buttons and watch numbers go boom souns exciting and not boring at all.
The ST/AoE trade-off really only applies to the fire build. The hybrid Lightning build (standard for Tyrannical week, for example) is competent in both ST and AoE.
Nope Elemental Shaman is in a much better spot in reguards to Tanks moving mobs out of Earthquake. Elemental Shaman has Chain Lightning in addition to Earthquake. Destruction Warlock had it worse in that sense cause Destro has 1 relevant AOE and its Rain of Fire. In AOE if the Tanks dont keep mobs in it the Destro lock might as well be a spectator during AOE.
2 Likes
I disagree man. Fire build is worst on the trade-off, but lightning still struggles, just not as bad as fire. Its far from competent when compared to other classes/specs.