Echo of the Elementals has been removed

Removing this talent is unacceptable while keeping talents like Elemental Unity and Everlasting Elements. This really needs to get more attention.

Blizz either make us a “Pet Spec” which is fine with me or don’t. If Ele is not going to be a “Pet Spec” update the Pet talents.

They increased the power of the elementals by a lot! And if I read it correctly we only have control of our fire pet with primalist talent.

I want to test and see if that means we can have all 3 out at once. Storm pet now makes the SK sub talent more interesting bc ancestor summons reduce that talent and basically give us a powerful storm pet for 12 secondS every 45 secs or so.

The only thing that’s hard to test right now is that Stormkeeper is giving 3 stacks with tier instead of 2 like it’s supposed to. They said they were nerfing stormkeeper to be 1 stack instead of 2 right? And then they added that second stack into our tier set (which is dumb and lazy) but I’m getting 3 stacks to use.

Also yeah, I don’t think we need echo of the elementals honestly. it’s okay to have our elementals be strong while not having the core of elemental shaman be about pets. We don’t need to be another BM hunter or demo lock, the way elementals work for ele shaman is pretty nice imo. They just need to make sure the other talents around the elemental talents get balanced appropriately so there is some choice to make.

Right SK is only supposed to give 1 but I’d be thrilled if they leave it like you’re experiencing.

The tooltip on Stormkeeper is reflective of that, it does say it gives only 1 stack. The tier set also says it gives only one extra stack. So my guess is they just haven’t gotten around to actually changing Stormkeeper yet and only changed the tooltip or they forgot or it’s bugged.

Realistically though this is how it should work. Stormkeeper should be giving 2 stacks with tier adding a third. How have the developers not learned that taking something away only to add it back into a temporary tier set feels terrible and is honestly objectively bad design? I get that we’re able to use SK a lot more, but we also have far less instant casts with Icefury gone and having a guaranteed Lava Surge proc gone.

That might improve later on with haste as we’ll get more lava surge procs though. I just don’t think taking something away to then add it back in a tier set is ever good design regardless.

Agree 100% maybe that’s why they haven’t changed it? Realized how bad it feels and stupid. It’s not that impactful to just leave it at 2. It’s not a game changer by any stretch and at least feels like a better reason to press SK.

I highly doubt it. I mean its possible but I wouldn’t get your hopes up about that. I certainly hope its the case though.

Oh I’m not getting any hours up… we’re stuck with SK no matter how much the butcher it.