I run Vengeance 99.9% of the time, but sometimes I’m asked to DPS in M+ or Raid if we already have a tank. I’d like to not be a huge drag on the team.
I have 2pc and run DGB + ED (Kyrian) if it matters.
Edit: Kyrian. Duh.
He goes over the various builds in depth:
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The following builds are what I utilize;
- Open World/Solo: 3321222
- AE containing fights such as Guardian, Anduin: 1113221
- ST fights like Skolex and Haladros: 1133121
For Legendaries I’m using Unity on ring and DGB on neck.
Covenants I pretty much stick to Venthyr as it’s what I’ve played since 9.0.5 and it’s also very good for most content.
The second build I mentioned is really good for simplicity then as there are really only four conditions;
- Always save Eye Beam for Sinful Brand.
- Always cast Eye Beam if Sinful Brand is on the target. (extends the DoT duration)
- Always save Blade Dance for use after Eye Beam as it becomes Death Sweep.
- Press all other buttons on cooldown.
The third build is what I consider the Standard Venthyr build, it is fairly simple too, except that you MUST ignore Blade Dance entirely. Even on cleave fights with an add it’s not worth hitting in that build.
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Thanks…not sure I have the stamina to level another Covenant. Will this work for Kyrian?
Kyrian might be even easier, just everything on cooldown using the second build.
It just will be behind in terms of max DPS potential, but if you’re just filling in for a DPS role when you normally tank I suspect that may be acceptable.
9.2.5 they’re upping the renown token from 40 to 60, and making renown levels guaranteed from most content. So if you’re still DPSing a bit come May or whenever it comes out should be easy to swap and get max in a few hours.
You’re builds are the opposite of what you want to run as venthyr.
11211 is what you want. Pressing gt or bd on single target is a waste of eyebeam cooldown reduction from not casting CS in those windows, not to mention fury cost.
Even in aoe right now that same build with 4p is what you want. We don’t touch bd with 4p.
Our 4p is cringe. It’s so cringe that we forgo pressing a major ability for 30 seconds off of a 4 minute CD.
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You ignore it even during meta? The 20% dmg bonus from the 2p still doesn’t make it worth pressing?
You always run UBC if you are using CoH as wasting fury on GT isn’t worth the chance of getting an EB CD. Plus UBC is free dmg and triggers the axe bleed from cache if you have that trinket.
Also on Halo you can tech run demon blades over IH - value of it increases if you have WFT.
Doesn’t take long to level a cov since you start at 40 using the catchup item.
Kyrian is vastly behind specially with dbl leggo.
You never press blade dance unless you have I believe 3 or 4 targets even during meta. Since you are taking CoH and RO over FB and DWF blade dance highly loses value even with the 20% buff from tier.
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I wasn’t aware of the bleed for the Cache, so I may go back to UBC. I recommended Glaive Tempest for the same reason I choose to use Glaive Tempest. It’s a lot easier.
I didn’t mention this because it’s not a huge deal and the person asked for simplicity.
This was true in 9.1.5, it is no longer valid in 9.2.
You no longer need to strictly adhere to a single target model with Venthyr once you have 2p Tier and 2x legendaries.
Give it a try. Get DGB (CA is no good for this) on your neck and give it a try on Guardian, Anduin, and Lord.
Its still valid now least for raid. You don’t waste fury on GT when you can take UBC and use that fury for CS to get CDR on EB. Look at logs and see how many are running GT overall.
Seriously where are you getting your information?
Those 3 fights CA is vastly better on because of cleave. Pure ST DGB is better. Also belt is probably the better slot to put it on than neck.
The idea overall is to not waste fury on other abilities to funnel all into CS to get as much CDR on EB to either extend SB or if running DGB have a chance at procing it to stay in meta more.
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Testing and testing again myself, reviewing logs from other players.
If you want to review someone else’s logs with similar gear and progress to your own, check out HumanityDH from Illidan Horde.
500DPS increase over their CA/Unity on Guardian Mythic. No real gear changes.
1000DPS increase over CA/Unity on Desausage Mythic.
Other fights look good too, either comparable or better DPS than the bog standard spam CS build.
Everyone and their mom is running 1121101 because of the amazing synergy with venthyr
But i, for my own happiness, have decided to keep along with 3311221. Going back and forth between DGB and CA with Unity. It has been serving well enough thus far.
None of the builds are “hard” they’re just different.
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I only run 11 for raids…I hate it, i want to delete it. I miss the days when i pressed Blade dance.
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I tried it, i was miserable. Decided to just stick with what i’ve been doing the entire expansion because i enjoy it. May not get the top parses but i’m still doing just fine so far. I only go as far as heroic so i can have some freedom against min/maxing.
I really just hate pressing demon’s bite. It feels bad. It’s not fun to press.
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Okay what?
Pleaaaaaase learn to read logs. While you are at it, learn to understand why someone might be playing off meta talents. Raid comp, maybe they need certain damage types more than others, maybe they need more aoe not st, like seriously figure this stuff out before you blurt out numbers.
Strictly speaking to legendaries, DGB is better in pure ST, anything with cleave CA beats it out. Not only is it easier to maintain brand with CA, it’s less RNG than dgb. You have to highroll with DGB, but if you win the lottery it feels good.
As for talents, NOBODY is running GT with venthyr in raid. So wherever you are getting this information from must be somewhere either I’m not aware of, or you think you know better than top players.
There are so many variables on these numbers that they can’t be taken for fact.
Also I believe Humanity plays off meta talents/builds a lot - probably a good player but they joke about them all the time in the DH disc.
lol your single target build is horrible…
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Take a look at my build. Had the same problem as you. I switched my talents to 1121101. Added every Enchantment to my gear that is relative to strength or stamina or mastery. It really helped me out!
mastery is by far the worst secondary stat a DH can use.
I felt like the strength and stamina was the more concerning part of that post.
Mastery is your worst stat. Strength does literally nothing for you, Intellect does literally nothing for you. The only primary stat you scale with is Agility.
On gloves and bracers you can put nothing or you can put the tertiary enchants like Shadowlands Gathering if you mine or herb, and on bracers you can just put the Shaded Hearthing to reduce your hearth cooldown. Those will at least do something for you where strength and int will not.
For rings i would recommend haste or versatility. They are equally your best stats. Mastery increases chaos damage, it scales terribly and only affects a few of your abilities. Versatility does what your mastery does, but for all damage you deal, and reduces your damage taken.
I’d also recommend reading a guide in general. I’m not sure where you got your information before, but i recommend just starting at Icy-Veins or Wowhead. There’s also a Demon Hunter Discord server that’s decently active