Which is again a retcon from their initial portrayal.
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I think you’re grasping at straws to avoid the fact that you were refuted.
I also think you “forgot” that the Vorlons technically won the conflict; after the Vorlons and Shadows followed Lorien out of the galaxy, humanity used the Vorlons ideas to build society, settled on the Vorlon homeworld when Earth was destroyed, used Vorlon technology AND became Vorlons 2.0. You may not like that ending, but it’s canon.
Just because you like the retcon better doesn’t mean it wasn’t a retcon.
The original warcraft manuals were barely above the writing level of a kid’s coloring book because it was just the bare minimum dressing for a minatures war game.
But first clue that not everything was right with the assumptions came straight out of Uldamaan where the mutual origin of Dwarves and Troggs was revealed to have been Old God induced mutation.
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They were kicked out along with the Shadows by the defiance of the Younger Races after they went into planet-killer mode. Remember what Lando had to do to save his home planet?
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Said Old God induced mutation being why everything wasn’t right as opposed to something the Titans themselves had done.
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Not everything… Humans are an improvement on Vrykrul, they consume less resource and are more adaptable. Dwarves are certainly more mentally flexible than Earthen.
Vrykul are as adaptable as humans and for Earthen it depends on the type of Earthen, but your point is? That has nothing to do with “not everything being right” because of the shared origin of troggs and dwarves.
“Old lore was retconned”
“New lore changed the old lore!”
YOU DON’T SAY!
The thing about lore… it’s stories, legends, never guaranteed to be absolute truth. Much of our real world lore is pretty much the same. It’s taken at face value until it’s overturned by data.
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Stories that disregard their own foundation are garbage stories.
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I cannot think of a single long running series that hasen’t had a major retcon
Retcons aren’t inherently bad. They can slot into an existing framework.
Difference between IRL history and WoW lore / custom settings in general is that IRL we can just base our knowledge on what people wrote down / archaeological discoveries and that changes as new discovers are made, and in the custom setting the creators of that setting goes “That’s the definite truth of what happened”, some authors are not as good as others as doing that and sometimes they decide “Yeah, we wrote that as the factual truth back then. But we are retroactively changing it now.”
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The WC1 and WC2 manuals, at least the lore sections were written by in game characters. Anduin Lothar and Garona for Humans & Orcs respectively for WC1. Aegwynn and Gul’dan for Alliance and Horde respectively for WC2. Beyond the Dark portals manual was the first time the lore sections were written by a third, outside party (i.e. objective pov).
Sadly that might be no longer the case. Due to the ‘annotated Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth’ in game book. Which the author of the annotated version acts like the author of the original book (which is just a copy & paste from the WC3 manual’s section of the same name) had a titan bias.
So a meta question is, did the real life author of the ‘annotated’ version know that the thing they were ‘annotating’ was simply a copy and paste of the WC3 manual section of the same name?
WC1 yes, but you cannot say the same for WC2, let alone WC3.
Not sure they were “kicked out”. Sure, the younger races wanted nothing to do with them, but did they really have the power to force the Vorlons or the Shadows out of the galaxy if they’d decided not to leave?
Yes… because the whole point of the Vorlon/Shadow Warwas to contest who would influence the Young Races… the Young Races united to reject both and Lorien’s offer to accompany them both to the Outer Rim made them lose the will to fight.
And the Younger Races had First Ones on their side.
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That doesn’t refute my point. I said if they chose to not leave, meaning the younger races’ rejection aren’t factors.
The fact that the younger races couldn’t make them leave without Lorien proves my point.
The American colonies did not “force” the British to leave… they made continuing the fight not worth it. The Shadow War was resolved in the same way. The Alliance forced an end by declaring that they were no longer submitting to either the Vorlons or the Shadows.
Gandhi did the same with the 'British.
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My question was " did they really have the power to force the Vorlons or the Shadows out of the galaxy if they’d decided not to leave?"
I suppose the answer depends on how you look at it.
Was the Alliance aided by three of the Vorlons or the Shadows’ greatest rivals?