Hello all,
I see that none of the pre raid bis lists include dungeon set pieces. How bad are the sets and can you still raid easily with them.
I understand it wouldn’t be optimal, however It would be fun to collect the pieces and also I like the look of a full set.
Also side note, I see they aren’t class specific. So how crazy would it be for a paladin for example to get the valor set for ret or Devout for holy.
Thanks for your input!
The problem with those sets is the stats arent great.
The caster sets dont have enough spell power and the melee sets need more hit and crit.
The 0.5 sets are better but come to late and take more effort to get than raid gear.
Well the thing about the valor set is that it provides little mana or +healing so it wouldn’t work for the paladin class (a strict healing class with no other options). Devout would be okay in comparison.
They typically just have basic stats on them so they’re often lacking compared to other pieces. Especially for casters who can miss out on a lot of +damage or healing by not taking other pieces in those slots.
Unfortunately as great as some of them look, they tend to be pretty bad outside of a few specific cases.
Lots of paladins wore Valor in early vanilla. There was even a (derogatory) term for them, “Valordins.”
And getting the Devout shoulders was the setup for the Leeroy video.
The tier 0 sets are bad stat-wise but this was not widely understood early on. They’re usually a step up from greens at least. Some of them do look pretty good.
Couple of things.
1.You can raid in dungeon sets, Just expect to perform worse than in well itemised blues and be laughed at.
2.Wearing pieces of other sets might be advisable if your luck is bad.
Dungeon sets are something to work towards but are not really effective sets.
In vanilla, on my Night Elf Rogue, I went the route of Dungeon Set (known as Tier 0), then I got a few pieces of Tier 1 and 2 pieces of Tier 2 before I re-rolled an Undead Mage. I imagine most players will opt for the tier 0 set rather than getting BiS.
Valor isn’t meant for paladins. eye twitches
Then they deserve to get laughed at. Outside of a few niche pieces/set bonuses dungeon sets are trash for everybody except those that are terrible.
I had a few pieces of Valor back in the day.
I even outrolled Warriors on it =P
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It’s not that they aren’t viable, it’s just that there is stronger gear out their.
I was comparing some of the bis vs tier 0, looks like dungeon sets have more int or stength but lack any +healing or crit (although the valor set does have a good bit of agility).
So i guess i have two questions:
1- will i still be easily excepted into raids with dungeon sets plus some other bis offset items
2- how are dungeon sets vs preraid bis in pvp? Seems like tge sets have more stam
The Tier ZERO, now days referred to as “Dungeon sets” are not considered BiS in 1.12 because so many new and better items were added though the Vanilla timeline.
The Dungeon sets you’re familiar with are from 1.3, the original dungeons sets looked the same but the stats were actually worse.
Before more gear was added to the game that made the dungeon sets (kinda bad) they were actually considered really good because most gear in game did not have stats like Bonus spell power or healing, these were extremely rare stats.
If there was a site that showed the original itemization before and at 1.3 you would understand why people had full sets of pre-raid blues.
The other gear was worse in most cases, mostly had to do with the stats of the other non-set items being really bad. A lot of that was improved, and new gear was added in 1.3, but again they added even more later.
In 1.12 tho, the dungeon sets (in most situations) do not really make a lot of sense to dredge up excluding for vanity.
Top tier cutting edge guilds? Not a chance.
Casual ones? Yeah.
Dungeon sets are complete garbage in pvp, you’ll get clowned on by people that are 2+ tier powerlevels above you before BWL is even released. Rogue being the exception to the rule.
Usually in a given slot there are other better items. However the thing is, they will drop quite a lot as you are doing the 60 dungeons so you will end up wearing a few of them like it or not, as you continue to wait for that BiS item. Also the fact that they specify a class means that you will get the highest priority for rolling (unless there are 2+ of u of the same class).
Dungeon sets have no class restriction in vanilla. None at all. They were designed around classes but lack that designation. If they had a class restriction I wouldn’t have so much hate for Paladins… All instilled so long ago pre 1.3.
The sets, especially in the early days, were mostly hot trash for everyone (especially hybrids) since they usually included a spattering of every stat. The stats were streamlined a bit later on, don’t remember what patch… and then the tier .5 upgrades were vast improvements.
If your eye is on dungeons as your end-all progression, then the sets are very much worth pursuing so that you can do the upgrade questline (IMO, one of my best memories of vanilla). For raiding though, nah, you can definitely skip the sets completely - BiS lists rarely include the dungeon set pieces. Back in the day, people didn’t know any better and wouldn’t even try raiding until they had their full set - which actually ended up kneecapping them.
I think you could build a set of mostly greens that would better than the dungeon sets for most classes.
If it has better stats, use it. This includes anything THE META deems as “bad.”
This isn’t rocket science. Those “bad” pieces can get replaced, but it is NOT worth skipping over better stats because THE META said “no.”