100% not, this is what they are perceiving that people do. If you see someone killing a mob you stop and help and they say thank you, you say your welcome. Then you add each other to friends and meet irl. If you don’t your playing the game wrong.
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sure. the legitimacy of that polling is def questionable, and is no where near inscrutable. so yes youve based a belief on an observation. and when people loudly demand that we act in light of evidence theyve chosen to believe, i have every right to point out why its a belief and not a fact.
It isnt gaslighting lol.
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You’re the one pretending there’s statistic that prove your side right, despite literally there being nothing outside of a few contrarians complaining about it somehow “Destroying Communities” despite it doing no such thing.
The Anti-RDF side cannot even tell RDF and LFR apart half the time, you don’t have any data showing at all that people are more against it than for it, but despite that you simply dismiss the physical evidence because it doesn’t conform to your narrative, that people do want RDF more than Don’t.
You’re not an honest actor, you’re simply projecting onto others, and laughably worst of all cannot even back up your own claim with any amount of evidence.
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Sure. What do you have that leads you to believe differently? I’m assuming you believe different.
i never said there were, thats a strawman. I do believe that blizzard as a multi billion dollar company made a informed controversial decision and has their own data. but i never made any claims to being the majority, like you did, which are unfounded because the evidence you base them are not up to scrutiny.
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i dont really have a belief here, i think RDF is bad for the game, and i dont really care if im in the majority or the minority. I dont think the majority deserves anything one way or another, im just pointing out that its impossible with the information we have to make that determination.
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We’re right you’re wrong it’s literally that simple just change your opinion to our side so you can be right too
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Well the subscriber base was up to about 12 million at wrath, after the changes and direction the game went during original release they lost nearly half the subscriber base ongoing SO somewhere in wrath they went wrong. I don’t care what you say it was the social aspect lost for me after the finders were implemented, and my own personal experience is all i need to prove my theory right
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I can respect that.
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You do realize that almost nobody even uses the LFG tool in retail unless theyre leveling right? Heroics are pointless and so are normal dungeons. Everyone just forms groups like they do in TBC and does Mythic 0’s. People are tired of leveling its been 15 years lol
honestly rdf (much like CRBGS before it) was a desperation move to retain a bleeding playerbase of wrath babies who leveled up through late tbc/early wrath. What actually killed the game was the killing of the raiding ecosystem, and using new heroics to set a patch ilvl floor, essentially resetting all progress between patches. imho, in my belief (thanks callie) this is the actual thing that began the decline of wows population.
thanks i appreciate that.
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How can you claim to state “I never made a suggestion that the anti-RDF community is the majority.” but at the same time completely dismiss evidence that we do have that the pro-RDF community is larger saying “That’s not good enough evidence to prove that the Pro-RDF community is the majority.”
Claiming that there is not more people wanting RDF than not, directly implies the opposite that more anti-RFD people exist than pro-RDF.
You have no evidence for your stance, yet you make absurd demands of evidence for other’s stance.
You sound like those Christian conservatives that demand atheist’s prove there isn’t a god, and have no evidence of their own beliefs, then when called out on the fact you don’t have proof for your own stances, you backpedal and deflect.
It’s pretty obvious at this point you are not an honest actor in the debate, and you bring nothing productive to the conversation.
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Factually incorrect.
No, they didn’t start massively losing subscribers until Cataclysm happened.
If you look at any references to sub counts, they continued to climb all the way up to the early Cataclysm days, then plummeted then.
You cannot blame wrath of the lich king for the failings of Cataclysm.
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Dungeon Finder is IMO arguably the best innovation in the entire history of the franchise and set a new standard for finding groups that allowed players to run zones at any time of the day. Social aspect lol. You need the roleplay server bud. This coming from someone who enjoys playing all the zones for fun once in a while and the occasional rp while doing so…
Nothing worse than out levelling content and not being able to find groups. For anyone not choosing to use this tool you just simply don’t use it. Instead you force your social aspect on the rest of us and all that means is cherry picking /4 for slim pickings all day and night while the rest get blocked from progression entirely and either drop it or return to it later to solo which is NOT HOW THE GAME IS DESIGNED to be PLAYED.
Of ALL the QOL features EVER created in the entire history of Diablo and WoW come down to instanced loot and Dungeon Finder. Neither found in D2R or WoW Classic at all despite being part of Wrath which WAS an absolute game changer for everyone I know who ever played the game.
Premades can still run premades and pugs can pug. It’s that simple but instead here we are with ALTERED mechanics, and people begging for groups in tells and /4 it’s DISGUSTING for an MMO in this state in 2022. Amazes me people actually blame these tools and mechanics for failure of either franchise. You say you wan’t to promote gameplay and social interaction and everything you do says otherwise including these anti boosting nerfs which just made the problem worse. Now instead of not just being able to find groups even if we do find them we can’t group because of the changes to CLASSIC which you said you would never make and AGAIN you are doing it AND planning more.
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I think that removing the LFG auto porting you into the instance would be fine. Let the system auto form the group based on roles and GG. I think that LFR killed the game, not LFG.
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when you consider the removal of player boosting, arrival of level 55 dks, and the addition of blizzard level 70 boosting, azeroth old world questing will be a vast devastation of the occassional alt/new player begging for help with no responses.
I Compeltely agree, but alas I remember being happy that I didnt have to be in a guild anymore…wow thats when it all changed huh… no community…no longer needing to crutch on your fellow server mates… Honestly hope to never see it within “Classic”… Who knows maybe we can re-write history.
You guys already got your retail, why should be subjected again why cant we cherry pick this time around. IF you want it go play retail
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