And what agenda would that be?
Anyway, like I said…
i’d level a drood and a warrior sadgening no RDF.
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Now you’re going to lie about having an agenda. You’ve been pushing against rdf harder than I’ve been pushing for it. The difference is I’m honest about my agenda and you’re just bs-ing.
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If you wanna fly like a bird, just do it?
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I mean, I guess it’s possible that on Skyfury which was a fresh start realm, and is not locked that there are simply more people leveling than on other servers.
I’m not really sure though, since I’ve been playing since WoW Classic, and actually during much of WoW Classic and TBC Classic, I spent a great deal of time specifically leveling through dungeons.
I event ran a dungeon leveling guild. During WoW Classic I leveled 4 character to max, three of which I leveled exclusively through dungeons. People have always been complaining about how hard it is to get dungeons.
There’s even a pretty famous video clip of someone asking during Blizzconn about older versions of the game, and the Blizzard guy says something to the effect of, “You don’t want to spam ‘Looking for a tank.’”
Some people here act as though getting groups together to run dungeons is impossible. Well, it hasn’t been for me. I’ve shared how I do it many, many times over the past few years that we’ve been playing Classic, and it’s still working for me.
You want to act like you need dungeon finder, go ahead… the rest of us will just keep playing the game and enjoying ourselves.
So you admit that it’s YOUR experience on a POPULATED realm, that you do not need RDF?
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It may well be, sure! I certainly do not have any experience to speak of outside of my own, anecdotal and obviously biased personal experience.
Then, really, you can’t say:
Typically, we’re going to speak about our own experiences. It’s been my experience that the people complaining about not being able to find groups, and most other things on these forums, with some rare exceptions, are greatly exaggerating and/or are simply making zero effort to improve their own situation.
If you want to champion Dungeon Finder for whatever reason, that’s your prerogative and I applaud you for doing so. I’m merely sharing my experiences of (mostly) not having issue finding dungeon groups.
That doesn’t mean that I’ve never had any trouble finding a dungeon group! Way back in September 2019, I actually remember sitting in a group as a tank with a healer and 1 other DPS for almost 2 hours trying to fill for a Mara run, and we decided to call it.
Yeah, that’s typically how people start an argument, but when we are discussing server populations as one of the biggest factors, you can’t speak from your own experience anymore, since you’ve admitted to being part of a healthy, populated realm.
Even on Pagle, I can almost never find groups for anything 1-60; if the planets align, and it’s perfectly prime time, I might see one group forming for 60-70 - it’s never the right dungeon, but it’s there.
Again, given your realm’s population, your own personal experience doesn’t carry much weight.
That may well be!
So why do you keep arguing with people, citing your experience as proof RDF isn’t needed?
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Well to be sure Dungeon Finder isn’t needed. Whether some people want it or claim they want it is another story.
However, I’m not sure where you come up with the idea that I’m citing my experience as proof that RDF isn’t needed. I’m using my experience as anecdotal evidence that one can form dungeon groups while leveling. I am literally playing on an unlocked server, where anybody else is able to level, if that’s something they wish to do.
Based on your experience, making that statement entirely subjective. Play on a low-population realm, or even a faction-imbalanced realm, and find groups at all times of the day and night, and then maybe you’ll have a leg to stand on. Until then, you’ve got nothing.
Every time you combat a Pro-RDF thread, you use your experience as proof it’s not needed.
Actually, based on my observation that we have max-level characters logging raids on many servers weekly, and have for years without Dungeon Finder.
I mean, I’ve been playing since launch, and have played on several servers. Sometimes faction balanced, sometimes imbalanced. Heck, I even ran leveling dungeons on Whitemane (as Alliance) well into P2 of TBC Classic…
Do you feel that someone else’s experience is valid if it’s inline with your opinions?
…you’re screwing with me, right? Having a million max-level characters logging raids every week doesn’t mean that 1-79 is having an easy time finding groups.
Issue with any of this is that it can’t be fact-checked. So, saying this means nothing. Additionally, “running” dungeons in TBCC… also doesn’t mean anything when 99% of runs were boosted.
If I have experienced their experience, yes, it carries validity. If I haven’t, I generally ask them to provide objective proof, which you have not done, nor can you.
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Me? Look at how you are moving the goalpost and/or changing your wording and/or trying to make it look like I’m saying something I’m not.
If Dungeon Finder was needed for leveling, we wouldn’t have max level characters. If Dungeon Finder was needed for Classic, we wouldn’t have anybody playing on any servers. That some people want (or at least say they want) Dungeon Finder doesn’t equal a need.
Would Classic be as popular, more popular, less popular than it is now with Dungeon Finder? I don’t know and I don’t even think we can know, because we either have it or we don’t. We don’t have some controlled experiments where we can accurately measure the outcome.
You know what else we don’t have? Access to the data and insights that Blizzard has. And they have chosen to state that they would not be adding Dungeon Finder to Wrath Classic. We’ll see if they do at some point, and if they do, we’ll see what it’s like.
Would I personally use Dungeon Finder if they added it? 100% of course I would. I don’t think I’ve ever stated anything to the contrary!
Sure. Well, especially so now as I took the free transfers to Eranikus for my Alliance toons that were on Whitemane. You’re right though, it can’t be fact checked.
I wonder if you apply the same conditions to those whose opinion you share:
Likewise, I suppose. And however valid either of our experiences and opinions may be, we don’t have much of a conversation, because we don’t have proof to validate our subjective experiences or opinions.
The biggest question is why are you against it if Blizzard is selling level 70 boosts? Why aren’t you okay with it from 15-70?
Edit:
RDF is needed for running dungeons - nothing is needed for leveling except for mobs. No quests, dungeons, nothing. Oh, and we have access to boosts, which takes care of the vast majority of our leveling.
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Well, to be fair, my opinion has generally been that I felt that Dungeon Finder should be added to Wrath around the same time it was during the original iteration. I mean, initially I thought for sure we’d be getting it and I was curious to see whether it would have immediately noticeable affects or not, and what they might be like.
So, as we’ve discussed above, neither of us have proof or access to data to definitively convince the other that that is or isn’t the case. (I’m actually in an Uldaman group right now — you can call me out on that and I’ll stream it for you on Discord, if you’d like).
This could also be a reason why Skyfury has active levelers. We cannot use boosts on Skyfury.
This, that it was a fresh start realm, and that you cannot transfer to it may have attracted a somewhat different playerbase than the rest of the servers. However, again I played on several other servers during WoW Classic and leveled 4 characters to max-level and a handful more into the 30s and 40s, with at least 3 of my max-level characters exclusively leveling through dungeon leveling, once it became available.
Ironically, I suppose, my Alliance paladin that I leveled on a very Horde heavy server during P2 leveled mostly through questing until around 44, and then it was all dungeons. Questing is typically a lot faster, but I personally really enjoy dungeons.
Your comments suggest otherwise.
Except for screenshots shared by players of the LFG tool, showing either no one in queue, or one person.
Again, your experience means nothing. Get an Uldaman group on a low-populated server at 4am, then we’ll talk.
…which is another reason you can’t speak to the necessity of RDF.
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