Dungeon Difficulty

Check out internet access in urban and rural areas. It’s still WAY behind. I have cable for my internet at home. However, I have some friends who are only a few miles away from me, and they can’t even get their cell phones to work (Verizon and AT&T are the major providers here.) The cable company will literally refuse to run a line down a road because there are too few houses on it.

The issues were the-same-but-different when I was in Detroit.

Having poor cell phone reception is not the same thing as not having access to the internet. 99.99% of people in the US have access to high speed internet.

Define, “high speed” internet. There are also plenty of places that have, “high speed” internet but have a monopoly (due to the providers shaking hands) and that means the service isn’t… great.

I’ve known way too many people from all over the US (and some Canada) who have issues with spotty internet for it to be 0.01%. I definitely remember some people in TBC still having archaic internet.

That is wrong unless you consider satellite internet to be high speed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_United_States#Access_and_speed

Not even the number of people who have a hardline internet is 99%. Heck, with satellite access in the mountains, you do you not hit 99% with internet access from satellites.

So, yeah, the US is not the best in the world for internet access, and this being a first world nation makes that statement pretty bad. I mean, Swedan and Norway do better and they have to work within mountains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_access#/media/File:InternetPenetrationWorldMap.svg

EDIT: Bad wording
EDIT2: Even worse wording

Their source if internet IS their cell service. This is a major issue in rural and urban areas. 26% of folks in rural areas can’t get broadband, regardless of income. Urban areas have access, but affordability is an issue.

And this is current. Broadband was way less available 10 years ago. Now, if youj want to talk about other countries, access really varies.

It is considered “high speed” or “broadband” by the FCC yes.

You literally do according to the FCC

Debatable. They’re #1 in internet use per capita by a pretty large margin and #1 in ISP’s

Statistically it’s closer to .2% than 26%. But you were close (and that’s from almost half a decade ago)

Welp starlink will be available soon enough and that’ll help.

You are making numbers up. Since you referenced statistics before. Here is another report based on statistics. This one is even from 2019 so more up to date.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276445/number-of-internet-users-in-the-united-states/

This not percent with broadband, this is just percent who have some type of internet access. Hence, there is no way 99+ percent have highspeed.

As a side note, highspeed internet is not always good for latency. Satellite internet has horrible latency due to travel time for signals from house to satellite to provider, then to destination IP and back. Second long delays are known depending on your location and the angle to satellite.

Low latency internet is near impossible in rural areas. You are either using old copper lines or satellite. Both have high latency.

Ergo, it is between hard and impossible to play online games in those locations.

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I took that literally from the VERY top of the link HE posted. I can’t back up his data, but it sounds right.

Keep up. Just because someone has access to internet doesn’t mean they choose to order it. We’re talking *access. No one can force you to use the internet.

I’m not sure where you’re coming up with this. It’s wrong, though.

The FCC. If you have better data than they do I’d love to see it tho

That’s where I got mine, too.

https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/area-comparison?version=dec2017&tech=acfosw&speed=25_3&searchtype=county

Okay, thats counties with broadband providers. It says nothing about what parts of those counties have access, and nothing about the affordability of said access.

I’ve taught at a major university, a suburban community college and at a rural community college (since 2006.) Internet access is still a problem. A significant number of students at all 3 institutes have issues getting online regularly and reliably. Not surprisingly, my friends and collegues at other shools are having similar issues. Talk to anyone from the K-12 schools, they will tell you the same.

Right at the very top… % of population with access to 1 or more broadband providers (not % of counties with broadband access.) No one is talking affordability so dont try to move the goal posts now. I’m aware not everyone can afford broadband but thats a completely different issue since I’m pretty sure anyone who can afford to pay $15/month for WOW can afford to pay for servicable internet where it’s offered, which even in rural areas is still the case for 99.87% of people which is a long way from the 24% you claimed.

It says percentage with broadband providers, then it has a search by county box…

Accessnis indeed an issue, whether you like it or not. You can play WoW with crappy internet. I did and I know some folks who still do.

I mean, there are lots of things on the webpage that aren’t relevant to those specific statistics… The numbers I cited are pretty clearly referring to overall population…

Yea. That’s exactly my point. You can play with crappy internet. To have internet so crappy that you cant isn’t something most people have an issue with. It certainly isn’t so much of an issue that its impacting how hard dungeons in general are, and it never really was. If you live in the mountains of Cocolalla, Idaho you probably do have sub-standard internet, but you probably did 10 years ago too…

Have you ever heard of AT&T DSL? I had it for most of my “broadband” life. It sucks. It can definitely mess with your dungeons, raids and battlegrounds. Hell, I’ve had it give me issues while questing. I think the DSL actually “qualifies” as broadband, if you pay for the higher tiers of it. However, you never really get the speeds they advertise. I had it when living in Metro Detroit, and not too long ago in rural Michigan.

You might ask “why did you have that, then?” For some of the time, it was what I could afford. Other times, it was what was available (apartment complexes can be complex.)

Yea sure. I’ve used basically every incarnation of internet since 1200 baud modems and before. I get that internet service isn’t always reliable but that’s not the same thing as not having access, and it can be largely the case regardless of provider. Heck I’ve got Gfiber now and it still goes down…