Dumb Thoughts: WARNING SPOILERS FOR THE NEXT EXPANSION : The Empire of Arathai and the Half-Elves origin

So we’re gonna be talking about some datamined stuff from the next expansion, so I’m just gonna derp a bit here so people who want to go into the War Within entirely fresh can do so.


Remember Xal’atath? There’s a weapon that drops off Siege of Orgrimmar Raid Boss, Garrosh Hellscream, that shares a similar naming convention, Xal’atoh. And there’s a blade that drops off a rare in Thaldraszus, the Black Blade of K’tanth, which references a battle Pre-Ordering of Azeroth, possibly between the Old Gods, possibly between the Old Gods and the Elemental Lords.

We know that Xal’atath is after the essence of the Old Gods to empower her relic, the Dark Heart, and she’s already gotten the essence of Yogg’Saron during the events of the Dawn of the Infinite Mega-Dungeon. That’s at least three more Old Gods to go, and there’s two Old God essences trapped in objects, and we don’t know where those objects got to.

Wrathion used the emptied Black Blade of the Empire to draw the ‘Carapace of N’Zoth’ into it, and the Blade was either transfigured into the Raid boss we fight next, or was lost after drawing in a fragment of a rising Old God’s physical form. So either we’re heading back to Nyalotha, or we’re going on a fetch-quest with Wrathion and his smug, handsome, punchable face.

Now, Y’sharrj is a lot more concerning because we have had one of these ‘vessels’ floating around for a while. If you have Xal’atoh, Desecration of Gorehowl equipped or transmogged, the weapon whispers to you ‘embrace your rage’, ‘caress your fear’, ‘gorge your hatred’ and to ‘carve slower, so that it might feed’. This is directly referencing the unshattered version of Y’sharrj, and not just the severed heads which became the Prime Sha of Pandaria. that’s a sliver of an Old God, and possibly enough essence for Xal’atath to use to feed her Dark Heart.

This leaves us only C’Thun, and that occuluar eyesore has multiple fragments of its form scattered about Azeroth, both in the ruined city of the Silithid and in the Twilight Highlands courtesy of Cho’gal, and as loot taken by adventurers from both areas.

I think, when it comes to C’Thun at least, Xal’atath is going to be more troubled by finding enough relics with power, rather than A relic OF power, to drain into her Dark Heart.


I think that’s enough filler to avoid spoilering people. Shall we move on?


Something that cropped up as I’m watching Doron, Bell-end Bellular and the other “OH MY GOD THIS CHANGES WARCRAFT FOREVER?!?!?!?!!” YouTubers, but we know that most, if not all, of the Arathai we’re going to meet are either Half-Elves, or have Elven blood enough to manifest pointed ears.

We know the Light ‘reached out’ to Humanity only after the Quel’dorei taught Humanity the Arcane to push back the Amani Trolls. While this does come from the Chronicles, which seems to be Titan-propaganda authored on behalf of Odyn while he was the Prime Designate, it does seem to be accurate.

But why would the Quel’dorei leave their homeland. The Amani Trolls are finally vanquished and they can freely start expanding their new kingdom. There’s trade and friendship, at least for now, with the Arathai Humans, even if they are barbarians at this stage who have barely mastered forging iron and had been using crude Shamanism and Druidism until the Elves showed up and taught them how to use maths to set Trolls on fire with their minds, but why?

Well … we know that the High Born where fractious and proud, refusing to give up the Arcane even when threatened with exile, and we know that more Kaldorei survived the Sundering and Queen Azshara’s attempt to swipe right on Sargeras. We know the Light has a vested interest in creating unified, advanced worlds to share a single vision which, in turn, empowers the Light. The Draenei were an example of this, with the Ata’mal Crystal being ‘pivotal’ to the evolution of the Draenei, both as a race and a planetary society, and was used as a beacon to summon a star-ship to save Velen and the few hundred Eredar he was able to trust from the Legion’s inbound enslavement of the people of Argus.

Here’s a thought. Even if a big chunk of Queldorei left, they’re not exactly the most fertile race in WoW, and Humanity is very short-lived and, Windrunner sister’s fetish for Humans aside, generally prefer to stick to their own due to their pride in their heritage and bloodlines. Half-Elves in the novels did face tremendous prejudice from their single-heritage kin outside of Dalaran, but that may have had significantly more to do with the growing racial conflicts between Men, Elves and Dwarves that had riven the Eastern Kingdoms prior to the opening of the Dark Portal and the Orc Wars.

Rather than a huge chunk of an already diminished people, what if it was a handful of Queldorei, a bunch of Humans who saw the Light that had revealed itself to them as truly ‘holy’, and began agitating against the Arcane. Many of these Queldorei would have been survivors of the Sundering, or the children and grand-children of those survivors, and Humans didn’t have a centralized faith at this point, with proto-Shamans and -Druids being their spiritual leaders.

This would change as the Kingdom of Arathor would splinter and fail, and the nation of Kul’tiras would return to Druidism and Shamanism, altered by the infusion of Drust beliefs and bloodlines into their people, and the nation of Gilneas, which kept a strong Druidic faith even as the Light supplanted all other beliefs in the more urbanized areas. But as of Alpha, we’re told the Arathai Empire is about 1,200 years old by this point, and the primary mount of these people is a lynx.

Kaldorei are the only race that rides giant cats on a large scale, and the Shal’dorei derive from this with their Mana-sabers.

What if, during the Sundering, whatever effect that prevented transport across the ocean to the other side of Azeroth was disrupted for months on end. We know the Kaldorei Empire spanned most of, if not all of, the Super-Continent. We’ve seen with the Shal’dorei that outposts and enclaves of Kaldorei survived the Sundering even without the Plot Armor of Malformed, Tyrande and Illidan.

We know the Light is harder than adamantite for followers and ‘Armies of Light’ to help fight its enemies, due to it being a primarily healing and defensive Primal Force/Power in the setting.

What if … the Arathai Empire on the other side of the planet is entirely Half-Elves … and the elven half of this equation is both Kaldorei who found the Light, or were rescued by it, during the Sundering, and Quel’dorei who were part of this vision that the early Humans of the Arathai Kingdom and chose to leave with the Humans who either left, or were exiled from, the original Human Kingdom for their belief in the Light.

We don’t know enough about the original Arathai Kingdom to know when the rivalry between the Arcane and the Light began. We know, by the time the story started just before the Orc Wars, that Mages and Elves were often regarded with active malice by the common people of the Human and Dwarven Kingdoms due to the Human Nobles’ tradition of keeping a Mage or three on staff to ‘handle’ issues, such as scrying and anti-scrying measures, messages and good old fashioned fireball-to-the-face erasure of ‘problematic persons’.

We also had Demon Cults popping up sometime after the Mages were trained amongst the Humans, and we were told Demons could ‘follow’ the Arcane back to Azeroth, if one drew from the Twisting Nether and not the Leylines of Azeroth. And stupid people rarely bother to question their views when their hackles are raised and there’s a perfectly good scape-goat for everything going wrong in their lives right in front of them.

For the TL:DRs, I am wondering if this Arathai Empire was formed when a fishing town or settlement of Kaldorei took to the ocean to escape the Demons, and was ‘saved’ by the Light and ferried across the ocean while the barrier was disrupted, and used to ‘start’ a new community, that worshipped the Light rather than Elune and the Wild Gods. Then, thousands of years later, the Light saw something new and went “Yeah, that’ll go great with what we’ve already got cooking!” and used ‘visions’ to convince the most pious and thoughtful amongst the Quel’dorei and Humans shortly after their victory over the Amani to cross the oceans. We’ve seen that Dalaran was able to float and, with the Light’s assistance, we could have seen the first ‘flying ships’ on Azeroth since the destruction of the Kaldorei Empire, and these Light-Humans and -Quel’dorei meet the Light-Kaldorei, a friendship is cemented and Humans will do what Humans do best.

“Where’s the hole?”

Given how fast Humans reproduce, and how strongly Elven blood lingers in individuals of dual-heritage, much like how Draenei and Orc blood is known to linger in Human families for generations, its entirely possible that the vast majority of the population are Half-Elves or, as they seem to put it, Arathai. Regardless of if they share the features of a normal Human or a Drust-blooded Kul’tiran, they don’t seem to view themselves, or each other, as any greater or lesser.

They are ‘one’ within the Light.

And it makes me wonder if this ‘Emperor’ that they speak of ‘back home’ is a Half-Elf like them, a Kaldorei, or a Quel’dorei/Kaldorei mingling? Are they honestly that at peace with each other’s differences or is this propaganda and the Elves rule over the Half-Elves and Humans, or does the Light extend and expand the lifespans of a descendant of Thoradin, first King of the Arathai, and its a pure-blooded Human ruling as a benevolent theocratic tyrant over an Empire of propaganda’d Half-Elves?

As always, what are your thoughts?

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I probably need to give this reply more attention later, so I may come back and edit and add more, but I think we should make sure we include this in the discussion:

Prime Designate,

I am writing to confirm that the wreckage discovered on our shores was indeed the remains of our most recent expedition to Avaloren. There were no survivors.

This marks the third failed attempt to reach that accursed place in the time since I assumed my post.

While I would not presume to question either your authority or your determination, I pray to the titans that the rumors I hear of a fourth expedition are mere speculation rather than fact.

Surely you can see that further pursuit of the heretics is folly. Yes, they must be made to answer for their crimes against Innaria and the other keepers, but their defenses are not to be underestimated.

The resources required to breach their lines are simply beyond our current capabilities. At least, not without jeopardizing containment of the prisoners in our charge.

Though I agree there is risk in allowing their strength to grow, evidence suggests that the aggressive nature of the heretics will cause them to turn on one another and weaken their resolve. If we can be patient, an opportunity for retribution will present itself.

I beseech you, Prime Designate, let the fire of your wrath cool, at least for now. Its embers will be rekindled in due time.

If not, I fear that I will soon be authoring yet another report of a lost expedition, its final remnants dashed upon rock and wave.

With all respect,

Watcher Perethales


There’s an implication that Odyn was actively persecuting “heretics” who had taken some action against certain titanic watchers. Heretics on an island, an island that even the mighty Valarjar could not breach.

Now, how far back does this go? I don’t know. Maybe too far to be relevant. But not necessarily. Legion showed us that Odyn still interacts with Azeroth in his own ways, and for his own purposes.

But let us imagine that the “heretics” were in fact Light-adjacent Arathi. Remember, the early Arathi did not embrace the Light. In fact, titanic Watchers like Odyn himself (but of course especially Tyr) form the basis of their historic faith. Let us imagine, then, that like the Vrykul of Stormheim, Odyn interacted with the early Arathi from time to time, keeping an eye on things in his own way. The Northrend ones were largely in stasis, so that’d be the two significant “Vrykul” populations on Azeroth, right?

Then, if Odyn’s in regular contact, what if an early subset of Arathi Light-worshippers, and their close elven allies alongside them (who also didn’t worship the Light per se, not in a dogmatic sense at least) took a more extremist route? Instead of being A faith of the burgeoning Arathi Empire, they thought it was imperative that they become THE faith. A rebellion may have ensued against the Arathi Empire, one so significant that it involved even some of the allied elves, enthralled with this new “Holy Flame”. What if that rebellion actively attacked or damaged still extant Titanic Watchers in an effort to “purify” the faith of their people? What if, through Odyn’s direct intervention, the rebellion was defeated… but (like Taiwan I guess), was able to find and fortify itself on a new island, a new location far away from which to rebuild. To gather its strength. To create the TRUE Arathi Empire, united under glorious faith in the Holy Flame? Odyn could not reach them here (after all, they’re pretty tough if one expedition building all of Hallowfall in 15 years is something to go by) and so their society prospered on its own, a merging of elf and human, united and strengthened by faith, and an Emperor blessed by the Holy Flame with the power of prophecy. An unassailable empire, awaiting the day that the Light calls them once more to go forth, and purify the world?

That’s my theory. I may be wrong, but I’m deeply intrigued nonetheless. May flesh this out some more when not on a phone, so I hope it’s coherent in the meantime, but there’s my own dumb thoughts XD Thanks for the post as ever, Gen!

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Another rogue thought, if there’s another crashed Draenei star-vessel, or rather a Naaru star-vessel, embedded into the planet, there’s also a high chance that more Draenei are on Azeroth.

Don’t forget that Velen was abandoned by Xe’ra after he became ‘infected’ with the Void, and the Prime Naaru was the source of his ‘visions’. The ‘Emperor’ of the Empire of Arathai could be a Draenei, or of Draenei heritage somewhere down the line, and given how feral Azeroth was pre-Titans Ordering it, and given the Black Empire was a Void-aligned entity, we might be missing a chunk of history, courtesy of Odyn’s edicts editing the Chronicles of Azeroth, where Xe’ra’s Army of Light showed up, tried to fight the Black Empire, got wrecked and sent out a signal to the Titans for aid, because at least the Titans are a force of Order and will also see the Old Gods as a mortal threat to their own agendas.

It struck me as weird that the Army of Light, this all-powerful force fighting the Legion … was one ship and a few hundred Light-Bound Draenei, and one Gary-Stu with his Hot Void Wife and Only Good Demon companion. Where was the rest of the Army? Killed by the Legion? Not likely.

25,000 years ago, the Draenei fled Argus. The Arathai Empire is supposedly somewhere between 1,200 and 1,000 years old. We know the Draenei fled multiple worlds. We know that there were many Dimensional Ships, and the Genedar was the one the Draenei under Velen were permitted to use, requiring three Naaru to power it. What if, and hear me out, there were more Dimensional Vessels that Velen didn’t know about.

Xe’ra seemed to be rather cagey, and we might have seen her try to recruit/save other Draenei, knowing as the source of Velen’s visions, that there was a good chance he might fall to the Void, or die, or refuse to be a pawn when a certain Manaari dies in his arms … so what about a second, backup Prophet?

Send them to Azeroth, but the Naaru onboard begin to fall to the Void the same as the ones on the Genedar did. The ship comes out of its warp already falling to Azeroth, and the Draenei eject in high-orbit, being shot across the boundary that separates the planet into two halves while their ship, still phasing in and out of reality, plunges down and into Hallowfall.

Thousands of years pass as the Draenei find each other and try to rebuild, this time without any of their tools or equipment or even salvage from the wreckage to use.

But what makes me think the Arathai have Draenei blood, or at least their Royal Family/Upper Class does, is their culture. That unity, regardless of heritage, their nobility of spirit and their adherence to the most noble aspects of the Light, remind me more of Draenei society than it does Human society. The technological advancement also speaks of the influence of Draenei heritage on their people, especially since it took never-ending grinding war to force the Alliance to embrace Gnomish tech to create their sky-ships, rifles and the like, while the Arathai Empire has apparently had their technology for centuries at this point.

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