Dumb Thoughts: The War Within, the Midnight Expansion and the Assembling of the Elves?

Yes, its an Allied Race thread. I’ll save some of you some time by starting off with that.

But it is the types of Allied Races that have got me thinking. We’re told that in Midnight, the Elves of Azeroth will unite under a single banner for some great cause, but we don’t know what.

Well, let’s look at the Elven species we do know of.

Sin’dorei/Highborn on the Horde.
Shal’dorei on the Horde.
Ren’dorei/Highborn on the Alliance.
Kaldorei on the Alliance.

That leaves potentially the Haronir, the strange, primordial mixture of Elf and Troll we’ve just met in Dornogal’s lowest levels, the Naga who are technically mutated Elves, the Felbloods from the Burning Crusade expansion who may or may not have lingered on in the aftermath of their Prince’s mad plan to save his race, the Undead San’layn are a stretch but technically do fall into this category, much as the Undead Elves raised by Sylvanas during the Azerite Wars re-integrated into their respective peoples in the aftermath of the cease-fire.

So that leaves us with the Haronir, who have a lot of customization in some builds of the game, both the beta for the War Within and new builds in the leaked content for the next Patch.

Then there’s the Naga, and we’ve had rebels amongst the Naga since the Burning Crusade, so having a camp sign on with the Alliance or the Horde to help try and rally aid for Neptulon once Azshara comes running back flush with Void energies is inevitable, but if they end up playable is very debatable. Odds are they’ll share a system with the Dracthyr, having a Visage-like mechanic so they can ride mounts and move inland without issue, but in combat will snap back to their serpentine forms.

The Felbloods would be a fascinating addition to the roster, Elves with wings and corrupted deeply by the Fel, and we have no idea how the restoration of the Sunwell and is infusion of Light energies from Mu’ru would interact with entities on the very of transmuting into true Demonhood. That said, they’re likely a hell of a stretch at the best of times, and blur the line between a Sin’dorei people that no longer exists, and the Demon Hunters.

Undead Elves might be a hard sell, but with Ameredrizzle being tired innately to both Life and Death and feeding off of the natural energies of both Azeroth and the Emerald Dream, who knows. Much like the Arcandor tree’s fruits can re-establish a Shal’dorei’s connection with the Leylines and ‘replace’ their addiction to the now-dissipated energies of the Nightwell, the fruits of Amirdrassil might have shocking effects on the Kaldorei that nobody predicted, especially if the tree really is tapping into the World Soul, and all that Azerite :tm: Goodness with its funky Power-To-Do-Whatever-The-Plot-Demands abilities.

Could even start seeing the Kaldorei who died during the Azerite Wars and were sent to the Maw before being funnelled into the seed that would become Amirdrassil being born from those fruits, a form of Immortality again for the Kaldorei, die, be channelled through the roots and branches of Amirdrassil to generate Anima for the Shadowlands, be reborn again from the Tree’s fruits in a form of reincarnation, and to the chagrin of the Kaldorei … the tree isn’t picky. Any soul that registers as Elven gets shunted into the tree and reborn, leading to Kaldorei with the souls of Ren’dorei, Sin’dorei, Shal’dorei, even Undead elves such as San’layn or Felblood.

Good news for the dwindling Kaldorei population, really bad news for the dwindling population of ever other Elven race.


Other allied Races that make sense with what we saw from Shadowlands, Dragonflight and The War Within.


Mok’nathal.

We’re never gonna get our Chonkeh Bois, the Ogres, but I’ll take a gaggle of Rexxars any day. Please just don’t make the women of the species look like barby dolls, give us some big muscular brutes, blending Ogre and Orc bloodlines. That’s some big ladies with some big muscles and I am going weak-kneed just thinking about it.

And with Outland collapsing up its own raid-entrance … they’re gonna need to leave the shattered remains of the Orcs’ homeworld right quick, and the door is open thanks to what happened at the Orm’riggor Festival.


Broken.

Velen got badgered into actually stepping up and honoring his promises to the Broken and the Krokul during the Draenei Heritage Questline. Give us the Krokul model with some graphical tweaks and just give us our uggos already, Blizzard! Same reason as the Mok’nathal, Outland is dying, the elemental energies are giving out and there’s a growing lack of water, food and resources.


Taunka and Frost Trolls.

If we’re heading back to Northrend to chase after Xal’atath in the end of the War Within and the Midnight Expansion, these are two races who are just begging for attention. The Horde needs to do some serious lifting for the Taunka after we just bailed out of Northrend due to plot reasons and the Scourge just kinda being left shuffling about ‘without’ a Lich King to control them.

And the Drakkari were reduced to scavenging survivors in their own land, possibly with their only real forces signing on with Zul’s invasion of Pandaria and getting murked by everybody. This also gives the Horde access to the Forest Troll model for Revantusk and other mercenary Tribes. Hell, we have the Zandalari as part of the Horde right now, that’s got to be drawing more than a few mercenaries and forward-thinking Tribes to sign on as well, even as the embittered and isolationist Tribes sit back and sulk that Zandalar opened its great hall to Non-Trolls, but not them.


Kobolds.

They’re adorkable and the ones we’ve met in Dornogal are a far cry removed from the feral, half-coherent pests that harass the miners and quarries of the Horde and Alliance alike. They’d certainly be an interesting allied race, maybe not the most popular, but their keen senses and long-running war with ‘The Darkness’, might make them overlooked allies against Xal’atath and whatever Void-spawned madness she had planned for us in the future.

I think they might end up ala the Mechagnomes, only used for Metas and for people who really like the aesthetic, but I still think they’d be a neat, neutral addition to the roster.


Ethereals.

Ethereals are a must considering how the plight of the Ren’dorei and how a certain Elf’s struggle with the Void Naru she ate ties in very tightly to the machinations of the mysterious Locus Walker. They wouldn’t even be that hard to code in, just use Human Male and Sin’dorei male models and we’re set, since most Ethereals lack any real form of sexual dimorphism. And given Locus Walker’s ties to the Ren’dorei and Alleria, odds are they’d go Alliance as well.


Those are the races that I think would make sense for addition under the Allied Race banner, at this point in time at least.

What are your thoughts?

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I haven’t played TWW yet what is the actual story with the quillboar bat elf trolls? Are their origins explored much at this point, or are they still sort of a “next patch” thing?

Given their level of customization I’d be surprised if they didn’t wind up being playable at some point, but idk much about their lore.

Dropping this here quickly because my day is swamped:

Naga = all the yes.

Sethrak = are these on almost the same body frame as Dracthyr but no wings? Could be an easy addition.

Ogres = we’re still asking and being ignored.

Ethereals = would probably see many people roll them.

Taunka = could be cosmetic. There’s another Tauren variation but I can’t think of the name. I’d like to see them, too.

Tuskarr = still asking about these. Why don’t we have them? Pandaren frame, I think.

Thin Kul’tirans and Withered = still waiting on these.

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TL:DR they appear to be connected to the mysterious tree roots we encounter in Azj-kahet, and also work to contain and diminish the effects of the Black Blood in the region.

Our information on them is hindered by a religious or social pressure on the Haronir to avoid contact with outsiders and to not speak unless absolutely necessary, and our few contacts amongst them are the Main Character who shows up as the leader of these Haronir, and a few who are absolutely horrified to speak to us, but are in such dire straits that it is either talk to us or fail in their mission to contain the Black Blood.

It is theorized that they are the servants of Eonar that were tasked with guarding the roots of G’Hanir in secret after Amun’thul threw his giant baby-man hissy fit and tore up Elune and Eonar’s tree because it was ‘chaos’ on his world of perfect ‘order’, and that’s a big chunk of why they refuse to interact with others 99% of the time, because they have a religious/social pressure to remain in hiding and only interact in animal forms, so as to remain in hiding and undiscovered.

Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain… Just gimme muh chonkeh boooooois …

We have the Dracthyr. We have the visage technology which appears to be an improvement of the Worgen transformation, which in itself is an improvement on the Druid transformation system. Just give us our Nagas, dammit!

I would commit unspeakable crimes for this.

Mechanically would be so easy to implement. Why?

As would these be so easy to implement.

Literally just a tweaked Male Pandaren rig. GIVE.

And again, such an easy option to implement. Thin Human models for the Stormwind and Kul’tiran races. Withered for the Sin’dorei and Shal’dorei to represent people who were afflicted by the the plights of their people and never managed to recover completely …

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An “unbound Naga” allied race where you could go from elf to Naga form like Worgen/Visage stuff would be sick.

Ethereals feel right for Midnight, there’s Ethereal stuff seeded into TWW already and TWW is a sort of act one of the Worldsoul Saga… so perhaps…

The biggest thing to me is that surely a reunification of Elves means we’ll finally get high heel shoes??

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First of all, the idea of a Naga that can transform at will or during combat is brilliant and I would 1000% lobby for that. Honestly, I don’t know why they haven’t made that already. For everything they’ve done in the past, it makes sense.

And high heels?! I’m ready for stiletto combat and I want them to have a special attack so if you get in melee range, you can do some kick damage.

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To be fair, Thrall running around in spike-covered stiletto heels would be amazing, for every reason you can think of.

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Yaungol. From the yak branch of the Tauren family tree. Members of the Tauren community have been asking for Taunka and Yaungol since their respective expansions. And there is just no good reason not to have them. Well, the only only reason I can think of is that Taunka used the regular female Tauren model. I can’t remember about the Yaungol, but I don’t think it should be that big of a deal. I think there are still people RPing as Yaungol. Nothing against our High Mountain Moose cousins, happy to have them in the herd. But the others were here first. Blizz just doesn’t like Tauren, that’s the only reason I can figure that we don’t have more models. And if Blizzard doesn’t like them, then they assume no one else does either.

That’s them! I love them! And we should have them by now.

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The Yes-ngol.

But really, Taunka should be optional head and coat options for the Tauren, and I could fully see Yaungol becoming an option for both Tauren ala the Red-skin options that the Draenei got. You get 2-3 new mane styles that reference the fluffy coats of the Yaungol and the segment-like horns of the Yaungol as head options.

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Yaungol are awesome. And we should have them by now. Yaungol stepped away from the classic Tauren persona of “the noble savage” and into the idea of you do what you have to do to survive. They didn’t get the best end of the deal when they headed south, and between the Mogu and later the Mantid, they developed differently than those who returned to Centarius in Kalimdor and became the Tauren. The more angry, warlike and aggressive Yaungol offer a good alternative for someone who likes Tauren, but doesn’t want to RP a fluffy, hippy moomoo.

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I can understand people like elves, but this doesn’t really make much sense considering what naga are. They were turned into naga by N’zoth, which doesn’t seem like something you can undo. As opposed to how worgen are just werewolves and can functionally swap between forms.

i think we need less allied races, but more customizations

reason being is…oh look, ANOTHER race down in the lore hole

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Yeah shapeshifting hasn’t really been a “thing” for naga so idk why it would be necessary. With Dracthyr and Mechagnomes we have multiple instances now of playable races with non-standard approaches to mog appearance, and playable Naga that just don’t have mogs on the waist down in most cases would be fine–better than fine really, it is a step up from mechagnomes getting nothing outside of their torso nugget and dracthyr getting only shoulders.

I guess they’d have to mount with their snake part draped side-saddle, which would be a bit funny but not totally unworkable.

Rather than shapeshifting I think the extreme sexual dimorphism should be looked at if they were gonna be playable. Traditionally the men have been complete snake monsters and the women have been mermaids. Kinda reflects their position in the story where there are no male Naga characters so they’re just faceless mob things, but I wouldn’t want to play as a male Naga as they currently look. I wouldn’t mind retconning the men to look more like the women in order to do away with the lame old, “weird monstrous men and sexy lady” trope. No it is not hypocritical that I am saying this as a Draenei Male, there is nothing odd about our dimorphism

We have seen Naga assume other forms to infiltrate other societies and to disguise themselves, but they’re also an incredibly proud race and take great pride in their forms, even the ones who left the Naga empire and sided with Neptulon.

Assuming a bipedal form is more “You can use a mount now” and also a divide between them and the Naga still loyal to Queen Azshara, and also their distance between who they are now, and the Void energies that transformed them from Kaldorei into Naga.

And bold of you to assume people aren’t DTF with the male models. But we’ve also seen staggering amounts of mutation amongst the Naga people. The bulk are serpentine in nature, the women as well have scales all over their bodies and if you look closely at their heads, most of the women have fins or spines for hair and ears, and in Battle for Azeroth, we were introduced to male Naga of a much more Elven appearance, the elites amongst Naga society that shared much more of their body-type with Azshara herself.

Playable Naga might be a lot more refined-looking that the BC and Legion models, and if players do get access to Naga, odds are they’d be a off-shoot in conflict with Azshara’s Empire, likely implying they lack the rampant mutations and forced breeding programs that create the gender-locked caste system of the Naga under Azshara.

I’m actually quite a fan of a visibly non-Human race, hence the Horde bias I have, but there’s also the issue that Naga have always been prone to mutation, and surely not all that Azerite we were beefing over only erupted on the surface? A bunch of Neptulon-aligned Naga who found an eruption of molten Azerite, and those particles in the water purifying them of their Void corruption and giving them the power to shift, albeit for limited amounts of time, back into Kaldorei-like forms, while also ‘naturalizing’ their Naga forms with more Elven and less nightmare 80’s lagoon monster features could easily work.

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I actually agree. I think once a race variant, for lack of better term, is in an expansion that you should be able to customize it. I don’t really like the whole “allied race” thing. It makes sense in some cases I guess, but for the most part it just becomes another grind that I don’t see the point of.

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I’m going to be the lazy, effortlessly charming roommate to a flustered, uptight Blood Elf and that will be the plot of the next expansion.

Yeah come to think of it I forgot we got stuff like “random land dreugh Naga” in BfA

The women go back and forth between snakelike and elflike, with Vash and Azshara generally appearing to have fleshy torsos and scaly tails (“mermaid” type) and some being full scaly. The rank and file random Naga mobs have gone through some re-designs, the women were mermaid-style in Vanilla but got upgraded into having scaly torsos at some point. And Azshara herself is an octopus rather than a snake…

I don’t remember ever seeing elfy naga men though, even in BfA they seemed to retain the vanilla-style monster appearance.

Because I want to play a sea elf. Only reason for me, really. I think as an allied race, they’d be ~unmutated~ and could once again walk around as highborne night elves – but still turn serpentine because it would be cool :sunglasses:

“We’re only half cursed now, sort of.” – a Nelf with gills.

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WoW Player: “Notice how the females of the Naga continuously shift between eel-like and serpent-like. Additional anomalies in the pattern of the sea creatures represented by the Nagas’ mutations suggest a deeper, nuanced society.”

WoW Developer: “u kno what would b scary is if u put an elf on a crab”

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