Dumb Thoughts: Gobs for the Gob Squad, Samophlanges for the Scrap Throne?

A rogue thought hit me … how many of our Goblins are from Undermine, or have been there before? Most of the Goblins from Kezan were dirt poor and thus were unlikely to have migrated, but it does strike me as odd that Undermine is connected to the outside world via rocket-drill-train machines, and we never saw anything similar on Kezan back in Cataclysm.

If we take this as the usual ‘It was always there’ attitude from Blizzard, does that mean Kezan was actively cut off from Undermine because of Gallywix and his excessive greed, even by Goblin standards? Or was there a transport tube, and it under tight control by Gallywix, and then destroyed by the volcano at the back-side of Kezan exploding, flooding the tube with lava and rubble?

It would explain how Mogul Razdunk, a powerful Goblin but not a Trade Prince despite his ruthlessness, cruelty and avarice, was able to fill the island with minions without anyone noticing until he’d established a fortified position on the island. And Undermine is supposedly under Kezan, hence the name, originally serving as the place where the Goblins were re-exposed to Kajamite under the whips of the Zandalari Empire, and only earned their freedom from the Trolls a little over a century before the opening of the Dark Portal.

Most lore-sources point to the Zandalari only enslaving the Goblins after finding such a massive deposit of Kajamite that they needed a ludicrous amount of labour to unearth it, break it up and ship it back to Zandalar for their rituals and offerings. Meaning that Undermine isn’t only a very recent city … but it likely is what remains of this gargantuan deposit of Kajamite.

Kajamite was discovered by the Keeper Mimiron, and supposedly Goblins had a thriving society of their own back before the Sundering, before the events of the Kaldorei and their Queen recklessly drawing upon the Well of Eternity and then making bargains with the Burning Legion cut the Goblins off from their supply of the ore.

The only known colony of Goblins to have survived the Sundering were trapped on the isle of Kezan and, without exposure to the Kajamite ore, began to lose their intellect over successive generations until they reverted to their proto-pygmy-like state. If other Goblin colonies exist, they are either deep underground, following the veins of Kajamite, or they became the Pygmies we’ve met in the Lost Isles and Uldum.

But it does make question of point of origin for Playable Goblins a lot more interesting. Did they grow up in Undermine and risk it all heading up to work for Gallywix, just to see the sun and smell the fresh(?) air, rather than live in the incredibly hostile environment that Undermine was, both in terms of ecology and the constant fighting between the Cartels, both in the back-alleys and in more mercantile fashion? Or were they born on the surface and only heard of Undermine as this place where only ‘the winners’ made it and everybody else got chewed to pieces? Or were they born in those rare Goblin enclaves in the Eastern Kingdom pre-Orc Wars, suffering under the punitive measures of the victorious Alliance that sought vengeance for the Steamwheedle Cartel’s support of the Dark Horde, and didn’t care to tell the different Cartels apart for the sake of their ire and their contempt.


The Goblin Way, narrated by Nobbel, paints a very pivotal moment between two powerful Goblins, and how everyday life for the average Goblin works out on the surface, away from the Undermine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydzSrpUc0Uo&ab_channel=Nobbel87


The Tipping Point is the origin story of Renzik, and is a very grim and brutal insight into how life within the Undermine worked before Gallywix took over and the Cartels all returned and found common cause in trying to retake the Undermine from beneath Jastor’s greasy gubbins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3TxCfhfYTY&t=470s&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft

Add to the fact that, somehow, despite being cut off from the coffers of the Horde and the influence of the Bilgewater Cartel, was able to assemble two very skilled and well-equipped forces, the Opportunity Acquisitions Company, which appears to be his more mercantile and labour-intensive forces, to ‘acquire’ Earthen tech, resources and, of course, the Black Blood endemic to the caverns of Dornogal, and the Darkfuse Enforcement, a private army built in similar theme to the Gob-Squad that serves the Bilgewater Cartel, that is well equipped, trained and now given access to unstable and highly effective Black Blood-infused weapons and technology to enforce the would-be the whims of ‘Overlord’ of Undermine on all of Goblinity.

For my Goblins, they’ve never been there, having been born on the surface in Booty Bay shortly after the Steamwheedle Cartel learned the harsh lesson of remaining neutral in such large-scale conflicts, and the prospect of heading into Undermine, as infamous as it is, fills them with both excitement and dread, and a curious sense of anticipation, to see if the storied homeland of their people and the birthplace of their society really is what their parents and grandparents whisper of, or if it is just another run-down slum filled with the desperate, the reckless and the brutal, all under the thumb of some would-be Trade Prince or Baron.

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Isn’t Kajamite retconned to have been Azerite all along before we knew that Azerite was a thing? I wonder if it’s a different kind of Azerite, If were going off it being the blood of the world, maybe Kajamite is what happens when it’s allowed time to stabilize and scab over for lack of a better analogy. I dunno, will Blizzard think about the implications of this retcon? Guess we’ll find out when the patch launches.

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I mean, we have Kajamite that makes you smarter as long as you’re exposed to it, Azerite that has raw potential to be anything, so long as you can survive exposure to it, and now we have the crystals of Beladar, which appears to be tied to both the Light and the Void.

My theory is that both Kajamite and the Beladar crystals are Azerite that’s been permanently ‘fused’ to another Primal power, that is then crystalized, and stabilized, into a mineral form. We saw something similar in Legion where the Draenei and Eredar alike both greatly prized the crystals of Argunite, as the mineral was the foundation of their technology and even the Army of the Light used it to power their ships, weapons and other forms of technology, and ‘veiled’ Argunite was valuable enough that Ethereals would pick the side working against the Legion just to barter for the stuff. And one of the primary sources of Argunite was the Rares of Argus, who hoarded the crystals presumably because contact with the mineral empowered them.

The theory that Kajamite is what happens when Azerite is allowed to stabilize is actually a brain-tickler, because if that’s true, what’s the difference between Kajamite, and what’s the difference between the crystals of Beledar? Kajamite appears most often in the north, ‘center’ and east of Azeroth, as the Goblins were first experimented on with the mineral in Northrend, specifically Ulduar, there was a massive deposit in Kezan, and we find a large and stable supply of Kajamite in Zandalar, and two of these locations are thick with Titan installations and influence, and also the presence of Old Gods and their influence.

Kajamite might be Azerite that’s been rendered inert and sterile, much like there’s a difference between Green Saronite (fossilised Yogg’Saron blood) and Black Saronite (still living Yogg’Saron blood). The Light and the Void have either burned each other out of been bled out of the mineral, leaving behind a echo of its potential but also one that’s less likely to make you go insane or make your head explode as a result, rendering it ‘safe’.

And given that Amun’thul was ready to traumatize Eonar over the other Primal Forces being allowed access to Azeroth in any way, shape or form, it is quite likely that Kajamite is what the Titans intended for any Beledar-like deposits, to either drained of Light and Void to keep their influence away from the World Soul, or to keep them isolated and cut off from the World Soul while the Mantle forced Azerite further into the mold that the Titans thought would make it one of them.

But there’s also the fact that a certain McChin’d Goblin Problem is using Kajamite as a foil to the Black Blood, even infusing Kajamite into weapons and armor to allow one to wield the power of the Black Blood ‘safely’, by Gallywix standards at least. That would imply that Kajamite is an inherently Light-based substance, given that it can withstand and repulse the Void-infused Black Blood.

Why it turned green instead of white or golden, however, I don’t know, because the only green ore in WoW that I know of is green saronite, and that would only grow stronger if exposed to the Black Blood, potentially even becoming a direct conduit for Yogg’Saron’s will, as we only ever beat that Old God unconscious and shoved it back into the closet with a new lock on the door.

He’s still there, and still causing issues for the Titan Watchers and Keepers in Ulduar, and we saw Void Ethereals trying to break in … and a Light barrier keeping everybody out of Ulduar, in the form of Odyn’s knotwork-like designs we saw in the Broken Shore, around the Halls of Valor and Skyhold.

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We only ever saw a small section of Kezan, just like Motherlode was another small section.

Im pretty sure most of the surface of Kezan is still destroyed from Deathwing, it just seems like Undermine was spared because it was underground.

I would say it would be pretty easy for your goblin to go down there and visit, or even be from there. Theres just as many slums/poor goblins down there as on the surface. (if you’ve been on the PTR)

My only gripe with the Undermine patch coming is I dont know how Gallywix would be able to usurp so much power when everything pointed towards most other goblins not liking or respecting him. Even the starter zone your character was the favored one to run things… And then throw in you have 4 other trade princes, most of which would not want him to be in control either.

Hopefully they explain how he was able to gain so much power, without just saying “he had gold saved up” or some nonsense. I know Xalatoes plays a part in that as well with empowering him with black blood… but why didnt he just do that with Azerite weapons? And why are we just pretending like Azerite is useless but this new Azerite 2.0 is something? haha

Lots of questions I hope we get answers for.

Kajamite is not retconned. We find it in Zandalar, its what is making the apes smart. Its also why the goblins are mining away one of the mountains in Zuldazar, and have a new rocketway down to Undermine, coming this next patch…

But back to OP. Llu has never been there, only heard about it. He’s only been to Kezan a few times in passing, as he’s from the Barrens and one of the Trading Posts there (before the rest of the horde came over.) So… me and Llu both are going in with fresh eyes.

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I think it has to do with us meeting him in the Broker City of Tazavesh in the Shadowlands. He got access to Ethereal/Broker Tech and relics from other realms and was able to use that to springboard himself from deposed Trade Prince to ‘Overlord’ by using things no other Goblin had seen or had access to, and we know that, no matter what we may think of the Goblin himself, Gallywix is frightfully intelligent and prone to bouts of self-important aggrandizement .

He has dozens of plans percolating in the background, and plenty of twists and backups in place, but he’s also hamstrung by his need to prove that Gallywix is the Main Man, that he’s the richest, the smartest, the most powerful Goblin that was, is and ever will be on the face of Azeroth, and that need for adulation and recognition cripples his plans.

Give his casino in Undermine and his connection to a certain Primal Power, I suspect that, whatever happens in the Raid itself, Gallywix used his lingering respect as the former Trade Prince of the Bilgewater Cartel and his remaining stockpiles of wealth, kajamite and influence to bring the other Cartels in for games of chance, with his loot from the Shadowlands giving him a kind of unseen, subtle leverage in these games that, when coupled with his own intelligence and the usual Goblin shenanigans with such places, the ability to cheat at the games and never be caught.

With wealth lifted from the other Trade Barons and Princes in flawless games of chance and wit not only swelling his coffers but making him seem more competent and skilled than his former counterparts, that would convince many lower-ranking Goblins to switch sides, especially if Gallywix ‘magnanimously’ offered to waive the gold he was owed in exchange for favours from the other Trade Princes.

Kezan might have been, and still is, sole property of the Bilgewater Cartel, but Undermine has always been neutral territory for all of Goblinity, and a great many Goblins probably were eager to point and jeer at Gallywix’s fall from Trade Prince to lowly gambling hall owner, but as his operation grew, his coffers groaning beneath the weight of their new macaroons, his buildings growing larger and more ornate with every month, his leg-breakers swelling in number and boasting exotic tech well beyond what the average mook could be equipped with and his influence re-grew at astonishing speed, the society and cultural ‘norms’ of Goblins would have pushed many desperate or ambitious Goblins to sign on with Gallywix to better their own lives.

After all, if you’re not with Gallywix, you’re a target, either for extortion and exploitation, or a actual target for his goons to remove from the board.

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I had been saying something like this when people have been mentioning the Tier Sets dont look “gobliny” ive been saying they look like stuff he’s collected from all over. So this would tie in to that.

Kezan has never been controlled by Bilgewater, was always split between the different Trade Princes. Just the area we saw was largely Bilgewater, the Bilgewater Port (the starting zone), and the Cartels main hub until it was destroyed.

I imagine most of the island could have been rebuilt after Deathwings destruction by now, but we will most likely never get to see that…

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