Dual Wield Shockadin - The Vindicator (Viable but not OP?)

I’m going to start this thread by noting that I would be fine with there being a caveat of this that somehow makes divine shield and divine protection unusable or only reduces damage taken by 50% or something, mostly in hopes that this dream isn’t derailed by “paladins have 5 min bubble they can’t possibly be buffed any more”

Copy pasta the dual wield spec rune for shamans and change the word stormstrike to crusaderstrike, put on chest to replace horn of lordaeron that literally nobody uses since it’s mutually exclusive with might.
(the hit portion particularly sweet since the shockforged set gives none)

-putting it on chest would force no use of maryrdom so the assumed seal would be righteousness for current phase, maybe command at 60. creating not toooo many independent swing chances for AoW, but still offering some with dual wield to get reasonable proc rate with spell caster gear on AoW (low agility).
-would also not generate “too much” mana for the raid from double swinging martyrdom by putting on chest.
-would not affect that hpal holy shock / exorcism hits for 350 - little over 500 crit in good gear and still have longish base cooldowns if you don’t get a melee crit for AoW proc.
-a huge(r) ask, but maybe swapping electrocutioner needle to 1h instead of MH specific to be used with the paladin weapon from STV.
-would give holy geared paladins another option to find raids with that gear path, raids should want at least 2 paladins for 10 man… open up the buffer class utility!

the only other way I could see shockadin every becoming actually viable is to give them denounce and for it to deal physical or something so its crits can proc AoW to reset your instant casts. leaving melee feels too far from paladin rp for that to really happen imo.

Boomkins, Enh, Spriest all popping off - why not the memest of specs!?

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No paladins don’t need dual wield unless you’re talking about shields and are asking for dual wield shields with some rune that gives shields weapon damage based on block amount.

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mages didn’t need healing abilities either and yet here we are?

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You just tell people a reasonable ask has no need without any reason attached then proceed to generate a request with absolutely no precedent, possibly no way to implement, and achieves the exact same thing as the OP with weird stat conversions and an additional 25% less phys damage taken, and you stated that as if were remotely reasonable as an “obvious” alternative with “unless you’re talking about DW shields”, as if you could possibly assume someone was talking about that without explicitly stating it. mental illness x2000. I am permanently less functional after trying to comprehend where your mind was at when reading your response.

TBF both are stupid, at least my idea has been around since TBC and isn’t just “Shaman’s have something cool give me thier toy!”. It’s never been done but it’s been asked for by some prot paladins for a long time.

Well thanks for some clarification at least. It would be cool to see

This is Season of Discovery, a time to experiment and do weird things.

Mages don’t need to heal but they can. Warlocks don’t need to tank but they can. Etc, etc.

If you are taking this season seriously, trying to play off balance and stuff, this is the wrong season for you.

Lets get nuts! Let Paladins Dual Wield or even use Dual Shields! Or better yet… Let us use a gun and become a ranged holy sniper :stuck_out_tongue:

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amen brother!

a tank rune for dual shields would be neat for them defensively as long as they could still threat gen somehow appropriately.

Hunter skill.

:woman_shrugging:

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LMAOOO
just roll warrior, pinkie

Didn’t you see what Dual Wield did to the Scarlet Myrmidons?

They went nuts. Save yourself.

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replace bubble with 5 min enrage cd?

Shaman dw rune is broken. +10 hit. That is over cap

brown is the new pink

heaven forbid I try to suggest a cool/fun rp element to the season where we are tweaking base game fundamentals

YES. Please. Can call it “Holy Bulwark,” bake it into Aegis(so no Martyrdom, Divine Storm, or Horn of Lordaeron while using it), give double charges of Holy Shield, and give a bigger threat coefficient to blocking while Holy Shield is active so you’re not completely hamstrung on ST threat.

<_< I like the idea of dual wield shields, what can I say?

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I laughed and certainly that was the point.

can’t just try to enjoy my little 14 y.o dreams from 2005 1st toon i guess.

The weight of such a burdensome power… it must be mine the bear!

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no tears only dreams

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