inb4 troll, But i really don’t see the damage having dual spec would cause, ive played on three different private servers, with four different raid geared 60’s, a rogue on nost, and a prot warrior, hunter, and priest on lights hope and in every single class i remember wishing almost every single day for a dual spec, something to prevent me from spending almost 100g everytime i log in. Its a ridiculously easy quality of life change that takes away NOTHING from gameplay other than being able to function in separate roles without having to pay an arm and a leg.
Also correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure at the wrath blizzcon they said that they had been wanting to implement dual spec into the game all the way back in vanilla in the first place but they didn’t have the tech.
Did you even try to read the forums for dual spec discussion? There have been oodles of threads and posts on this.
Implementing something in Vanilla because “they wanted to but didn’t have the tech” means that practically anything from flying to phasing could be added.
I think you will find that you are in the minority in that respect. I play vanilla because I DON’T want those QoL changes. There will be no dual spec in Classic.
Do you know how easy it is to get the gold to respec? takes like an hour.
A huge gold sink to remove gold from the economy.
It was implemented outside of Vanilla…
A large majority of people do not want it, and are actually against it.
Its incredibly selfish of someone to come into the forums to ask for things that the majority of people (whom will be playing vanilla extensively) do not want.
The concept of vanilla is youre a small adventurer, looking out into this HUGE expansive world, where all your decisions are very important to your story and the feeling of immersion. // And you want to destroy that because you feel inconvenienced.
– Dual spec exists in BFA, and as someone who just stated had multiple classes (without the lack of farming potential) i dont see the issue to begin with. Other than you wanting this huge change to raid comps for specific bosses to make your life easier…
That’s not a good argument considering they literally have phasing in the demo.
Secondly comparing flying and dual spec is a tad disingenuous seeing as flying actively harms the game where as dual spec doesn’t in any way?
I don’t think so, on my four different 60’s in three different raiding guilds during completely different eras of private servers almost daily someone in my guild would wish for dual spec, or lament having to spend 50g just to farm gold which technically put them in the negative of 100g for that day if it was a raid day etc, or a healer knowing they have to suffer if they want to mine thorium because woe be it on them if a level 52 mob aggroes them and they have to spend the better part of a minute killing it.
Constantly in trade people would wish hopelessly that the private server devs would jerry-rig it in or at least turn off or down the gold required to respec(which did happen).
I may be in the minority in this thread but i sincerely doubt i will be a minority of A) The player base of classic and definitely B) The player base of classic that hits 60 and realizes they have to spend 100g every time they log in if they want to be competitive in anything even something as simple as mining or herbing.
you will be fine without dual spec. It’s only costly if you mismanage your play time. farming 50g+ weekly for switching specs isn’t that difficult. That said, dual spec would be nice. Dual Spec would definitely help groups get priest/druid/pally heals faster!
Lets look at this from blizzards standpoint, shall we?
Blizzard Activision stock is down almost 60%
All of their games are currently experiencing, what I call, the dumpster fire effect
They do not have any future plans for 2019 to recover from this huge dip that they are taking
They are cutting costs everywhere, cancelling projects left and right
Dropped 100+ employees in the last week…
That is their current stance, That being said… Classic is their only hope of a cash cow to fill that hole theyve dug for themselves with the community. However, you feel that blizzard should take a stance with Dual spec or like minded QoL (non-improvements) for a game that is extremely volatile, and could potentially finish Blizzard off once and for all, for YOUR sake of convenience? LUL. please!
i. They had sharding in the Classic Demo, not phasing (but your point stands regardless).
ii. I don’t agree with the assertion that dual spec doesn’t harm the game in any way. The point of the system is you have to weigh talent choices carefully and be willing to commit to them. It’s in the same spirit of the slow leveling speed; if you want a geared level 60 toon, then you need to focus on that toon and invest in it.
Providing you’re a hunter with enchanting/engineering and the DM north trick inst hotfixed. Maybe? Either way best case scenario thats two hours of farming every single time your log in if you actually want to get anything done that day.
Potentially three hours of farming if you want to Switch to farming spec>farm enough gold for two more spec changes > switch to your “having fun today spec” > switch back to your baseline raiding/dungeoning spec
No one on earth finds farming for three hours a day because people who haven’t even played vanilla selfishly want to “walk both ways up the mountain in the snow” when chances are those people wont even make it to 60 in the first place.
Yeah a gold sink, that totally prevented people from doing gold bid raiding on private servers. Oh wait it didn’t.
Lets not talk about how most of the gold EARNING is done by regular people just trying to pay off the respec costs in the first place, not people trying to amass a dynastic wealth at 3 silver a mob.
Without the outlandish and extortionate respec cost most people won’t be farming gold in the first place.
So was phasing and yet that’s present and accounted for, phasing…something that actually harms the community and feel of classic, whereas dual spec…does not?
I think there’s a difference between the majority of people who use this particular side forum and the majority of classic players.
If you think your argument is just because you have the “mob” on your side which i honestly don’t even think you do then you’d have to accept mob mentality come release when the majority of players will no doubt side with my opinion.
Mob rule isn’t a good look for you.
If by playing extensively you mean not even reaching 60 then okay?
It’s not selfish, it barely affects the game and is the single largest quality of life change compared to what it “costs” the people that don’t want it.
If all your decisions mattered then respeccing wouldn’t even exist in the first place, it would be a Diablo 2 situation. So no. Having two specs that you can still mess up and need to respec later is fine.
How am i “destroying” immersion? What a joke lmao.
Is this a “it exists in BFA so it’s bad” statement, is that where we are at?
You can bet if a raid guild is progressing on a certain boss and a spec change would help to kill that boss they will be doing that spec change regardless of the respec cost or dual spec, most people won’t dual spec just for that boss they will end up still having to pay the spec tax all the same.
People will still be farming gold regardless, and with dual spec it only removes a significant chunk of gold from the economy at the very start then never again(assuming you give it a high initial cost like others have suggested).
If you’ve got a server population of 2500 and even 10% respec twice a week, that’s 25,000 gold per week being taken out of the economy.
It’s going to inflate prices, which in turn will cause people to need to farm again to pay for the increased cost of everything on the AH.
The only possible reason not to have it is that they don’t want you switching specs on the fly. Other than that you’ll just get a bunch of people who played pure classes or were happy healing telling you specs are supposed to me something.
A good middle ground would be to have dual spec but only let people switch specs in capitols.
Of all the toxic and anti community things that WotLK introduced, dual spec is not one of them.
Literally no one has every complained about it. And unlike the lfg system, at no point did anyone go “actually this thing really hurts X” after using it for a while.
Wanting dual spec =/= playing retail wow
And dual spec in wrath played precisely 0 percent into that.
BFA’s dumpster fire is due to dual spec introduced in wrath by about 0 percent as well
Well, they do, its just all mobile gaccha game stuff.
Papa Activision commands them to pinch and save even when its counterproductive because they just want a good Q4 to tell their investors
Paid them to quit, funnily enough. Sounds like a good deal to me getting a years salary just for quitting a dying company.
Classic won’t be a cash cow it will simply bring their sub numbers back to pre-WoD levels, that’s still a downward trend.
Wrath of the lich king was a cash cow. Oh wait…wasn’t…wasn’t that when dual spec was first introduced?!?
Hmm…very interesting…
Yes, that’s why I said, “bring in flying mounts” or “bring in lfg” because I despise blizzard and want to see them SUFFER!! MUWAHAHAHAHA
Oh, wait, no I just know that dual spec would be a godsend to most players and unlike those two things and most QoL changes ISN’T volatile.
Wasn’t in vanilla shouldn’t be in vanilla end of story /thread. And this is coming from a resto shaman that is probably one of the worst if not the worst farming specializations.
Back in the day we didn’t min max every single aspect of the game, so it wasn’t an issue to bring a PvP spec player to a lower tier raid, and it wasn’t an issue to bring a pve spec player to a bg group. We played around the shortcomings, and didn’t demand optimal 100% of the time.
People will just need to get used to not having the optimal spec all of the time. It adds richness to the game and hopefully takes away some of the more binary attitudes from the game.
Even if that happened which i have my doubts since it doesn’t eliminate respecing, i’m pretty sure most people would prefer farming for something they need/want as an actual goal to work towards rather than paying the “having fun at all” tax if for instance they want to pvp while also being a raider/dungeonier.
Im fine with that, the practical effect is the same just without “everyone in the raid give x person 1 gold for respec”
“We wiped to the boss and the raid(or potentially the guild) is disbanding because these x y and z classes didn’t have the right spec and now everyone is a sad panda” is not “richness”
And no, I played real retail vanilla too, the top end players still demanded min-maxing.