Dual spec vs Hybrid builds

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OK I’ve had this argument with so many people so I’m gonna make an actual post specifically on this I’ve made specific arguments completely against the actual dual spec and why I think it should be and the burning crusade.

And one of the main arguments I always hear is it makes hybrid builds less viable that some people don’t want to make the cookie cutters belts.

Here’s my thing one how many actual classes have hybrid builds that accomplish anything not many.

Praist’s, Sharman’s, Druids, And paladins And technically warlocks however That’s not a niche build we all know SLS is busted.

Here’s my thing Either way you’re not gonna get taken unless you’re the last alternative.

If I have a choice between a hybrid build unless I absolutely know it can before Hand for the job that I’m wanting you 4 I’m not taking you.

I mean like it or not especially if the content is gonna be harder which we all know it’s gonna be pre nerf the consequence of that as these unique hybrid builds.

They’re going to be less desirable even more than they were desirable beforehand That’s just facts.

And especially the way people are right now and the same thing with the argument well if you have a hybrid build you can technically do pve,pvp.

In the same spec if its hybrid enough maybe maybe if you were a Druid, Warloeck you could pull that off a little bit anyone else you are going to get stomped into the ground.

Pack even SLS warlocks Have a different version of SOS for PVP Now granted it’s not a huge amount but it’s still there.

So I’m sorry this argument is silly you can’t make the argument saying O because I’m hybrid dual spec makes it so that my builds less desirable.

When you’re already going to be less desirable if you wanna play a khyber bill that’s completely up to you but you have to take into the consideration.

You’re just not gonna be taken to thinks you’re going to be weaker at PVP That’s just How it is.

Because the reality is if I see 2 priests And assuming they are add equal gear and equal skill level if I see one that is.

Holy, And some weird hybrid build unless I really have a need for that little extra utility for some weird reason.

I’m not taking the khyber belled I want the priest that I know has the most healing I can do for my group.

Different doesn’t always mean better sometimes different means well that you’re significantly worse that’s just how things are that’s how World of Warcraft is designed.

And quite honestly if that’s the biggest argument against dual spec well no offense to those players But.

I want the best version of the burning crusade And a my opinion and a whole lot of other people’s opinions that means Dual spec.

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In TBC hybrid classes are actually useful because they bring raid utility that you will want outside of their role. I don’t know why you need dual spec to accomplish that.

I don’t see any argument for dual spec other than you having anecdotal evidence that people have bad specs and you wouldn’t want to take that over a better spec.

I think you have a misconception of what hybrid is. There are hybrid classes that use a pure spec for their purpose. There are VERY FEW hybrid specs because they suck. People want dual spec so they can have a healing PvE and PvP spec or a healing and a dmg spec, not to get out being a weird 13/15/17 build or something.

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All of them. Every single class can build specs that perform better in pvp than the pure pve specs while performing better in pve than pure pvp specs. No exceptions.

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Disagree. If I had dual spec right now, I would literally be combat daggers and 8/21/22. That last spec is a hybrid spec between pvp and farming. Good luck finding it in any guide.

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Feel free to use bad specs. There are better PvP farming specs out there. The game doesn’t have to cater to a specific niche. Diablo 3 has spec changes on the fly.

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What’s a Praist?

What’s a Sharman?

What’s a Warlock?

Character name makes so much sense now :rofl:

So, you’re saying everyone should be running meta and cookie cutters, or gtfo?

What if they make use of dual spec, and create a second “hybrid” build?

What about the Hunters, Rogues, Warriors and Mages (classes you haven’t mentioned) who can also mishmash non cookie cutter build?

This is gonna go well…

grabs popcorn

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If you don’t know what you are talking about, you should probably not talk about it. K. Thx. Bye.

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Dual spec isn’t going to be in TBC.

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Has there been an additional comment somewhere because last I read they (blizzard) were, in fact, discussing dual spec in tbc…

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No clue.

I just figure it will cost them more than $5 to program and Bobby ain’t having that.

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Not sure how much you think this would cost to program, but if they require you to see a trainer to respec to your alternate spec, it probably doesn’t cost much at all. Talking another tab or button or something plus a column in a table to store the alternate spec. That’s nothing.

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Is it more than $5?

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OK you’re just wrong here you are completely wrong I am sorry there You’re not going to go to a raid as a subtlety rogue, Just like you’re not going to go and do arena as a combat rogue you’re going to get stomped.

Let alone your comment really doesn’t have anything to do what I was talking about what I was saying is how many classes actually have hybrid builds to begin with.

The answer is not many you’ve got sharman’s, Paladins, Priests, And druids, And yes technically Warlocks I generally don’t include this one though because it’s obvious we all know about SLS.

I’m sorry but the way the game is built you’re there you’re not going to go into a raid and to better in a pvp Spak Then somebody in a pve.

Now granted technically technically there are some a little bit of exceptions because everything so hard wire A retribution paladin in A PVP spack and a pve spec probly isn’t that different.

For an example however for the most part if you’re raiding you’re going combat as a rogue, You’re going subtlety if your going to do PVP.

That’s the point I was trying to make can you go in there with hybrid specs yeah but you’re just going to get crushed by everybody else that actually has the good builds.

You go PDP as a combat rogue a subtlety rogue is going to a laugh at you and kill you before you even know what’s going on.

That’s the point I was trying to make

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No idea why people think we need Dual spec, gold is even easier to get in TBC and the cap is still 50g for respec.

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I know you are but what am I? But seriously, gl out there with that spec

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Again, if you don’t understand the spec, you shouldn’t talk about it as if you do. There is no optimal pvp + farming crossover spec because typically people don’t spec with farming in mind. I farm more than I pvp right now which means I want to open ambush. After that the extra damage from off hand dps is more important than just about anything else. Add in slice and dice that rolls over from mob to mob and that is optimal.

It is not optimal for pvp, but it crosses over better than combat daggers. You could potentially make a case for a seal fate build being more optimal, but even that doesn’t open with ambush making farming take longer.

But you knew all of this right?

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Yes. I’m glad you found something you enjoy. I don’t see the need of dual spec from your testimony.

I could save gold by respecing shadow for spirit tap procs off advanced target dummies for long fights to save on dark runes. That’s also extremely niche and isn’t needed.

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Every single person I’ve played with, has used cookie cutter specs in raids. ‘Hybrid Spec’ is not a thing.

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I don’t recall saying it was needed. I recall saying your premise that people would not have an alternate hybrid spec is wrong. You have said diddly squat to challenge me back.

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You got me, in this hypothetical world where we get dual spec and people want hybrid specs to win arguments on the internet