Do you think if the data showed that dual spec would be a good idea, that they would have added it by now?
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You responded directly to me.
I think blizzard doesn’t want to invest any time and effort on classic at all unless pushed to do it by the players.
Because your accusation was in regards to how I was treating you. So I addressed that. I have not lied to you or intentionally tried to deceive you over any topic.
This doesn’t somehow translate to “Oh ho ho, but OTHER PEOPLE, I lie ALL THE TIME to them!”. It just means I was addressing how I approach discussion with you.
If you want me to address how I treat others that aren’t you, I can do that for you, but I didn’t feel that was relevant, but typically not really feeling the need to lie is a pretty consistent constant across the board.
Thanks for offering your mature feedback …
Funny thing is - I’m not actually that invested in Dual spec - it’s the way people are strong-arming the forums to get what they want with really bad arguments and bad faith attacks that has drawn me into this time and again. I’m open to being convinced - but bullying and name calling isn’t going to convince me.
But you just said…
So, who are you talking to?
What???
Bro, make some sense, WTF.
The 2nd comment was in response to you specifically harping on how I used the word “you”, basically implying that I must lie to everyone else.
Those aren’t contradictions.
I made a statement about how I’ve approached discussion with you, and you tried to be funny by implying that I’m a liar again (though, to other people?), to which I said was a poor interpretation or reading of what I said.
I have not lied to you, or anyone on this topic about what I feel are legitimate reasons dual spec would be a bad move. For the product, and also for the products integrity to me as a player of it.
So, are you talking about me or is this that other thing you said?
Back to your #ZiryusWantsAllChanges I see.
Its too bad.
Well written, probably won’t be received. Good on you for trying to lay things out. again.
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Let me give you my discord details.
Hop in and I will happily have this entire discussion with you, voice to voice.
Down?
I’m confident enough in my stance and my supporting arguments I don’t need the veil of anonymity to protect me from my opinions being put to test. Go ahead, if you actually think you can make an argument that isn’t just #somechanges, come and make it. I’m over this back and forth-ing that goes nowhere.
I’d have probably said yes a few months ago, but I’d rather not be harassed.
Turn it into a podcast. let me listen every week.
Nice alt Ziryus …
Note how I offered to give you my discord details, meaning the option to “be harassed” is as simple as logging off the discord, not like I’d waste my time doing such a thing anyway.
I understand you’d be too much of a coward for this, though.
I think this is the biggest challenge ahead for your side of the argument - having Blizzard commit the time and resources to any change right now in TBC classic - let alone this specific one.
This isn’t meant as a counter argument btw - it’s just an observation that I’d be surprised if any of this got attention from Bliz. Personally I think the discussion is largely academic and I highly doubt it will ever happen this side of Sunwell. Even if everything you’ve argued is 100% spot on.
I don’t believe that for a second. That’s just a pose you take because you think it helps your arguments by claiming to be open minded.
Yes, you did.
And it’s stuff like this I’d prefer to avoid.
I prefer civil conversation and not intimidation or whatever you’re trying to do here. If I join your discord, I walk into some space that you control–where you can record me, where you’ll know my Discord ID, etc.
No thanks.
Didn’t think you would, but I have actually moderated my view a few times to include compromise options - so I think I have demonstrated a willingness to adapt my view on this when faced with good arguments.
For example I have accepted the merits of the PVP case and this based on an argument which I conceded at the time that I lost.
I presume your distrust of me is more driven by the fact we don’t occupy the same side of the fence on the issue than anything I’ve done to cause you to think my motives are sour.
Betting against blizzard making any change is always the best bet. I’d lose a few times but win a dozen other times. I’d have bet against them changing the drums or the seals or multiboxing software if I was playing the odds. In fact there was someone just like you telling me that it will never change over and over and over again on the multiboxer threads. It didn’t stop me from posting.
This is just paranoid delusion.
I’ve no interest beyond the actual discussion taking place in an environment where you can’t weasel out with lackluster wordplay after every post.
It wouldn’t be aggressive. You’d actually find I’m a very calm and polite debater.