No, you stated it. You never explained it.
So, you’re admitting both sides are toxic. In which case Dual Spec doesn’t really affect anything because people will be toxic or not. Thanks for showing how false your statements are.
Nope, same game just new expansion. But this is irrelevant. Still doesn’t account for the fact that you said Dual Spec bring toxicity into the game and Dual Spec was implemented during WotLK when the game had more subscribers than ever before.
Partially, but really it’s the world, the races, the classes, the story, the quests, the content, etc. WoW Classic, TBC Classic, and WoW are all World of Warcraft. Retail was once at a point in time where The Burning Crusade was the current Retail content.
To the extent that I can log into Diablo II and LoD and say it’s the same Diablo II I played back in 2001, yes I can.
And to the extent that I can look in the mirror and say that I am the same person I was in 2007.
I agree completely with this.
Thoroughly, just read it.
I am not admitting anything, I’m just showing that it is easy for someone to create a fallacy and point out that the opposing view is toxic.
It is a different game.
Warcraft 3 is WoW?
I am logged in warcraft III here. I see Uther Lightbringer which is a World of Warcraft character. I see human races, I see Blood Elves race, I see Undead, I see trolls, I see gnomes and Dwarves.
Is Warcraft III and WoW the same game?
We have to fundamentally agree that TBC and Retail are separate games.
And the fundamental principle is that TBC Classic is not the same OG TBC game we played.
If even in the same “timeline” they are not the same, therefore, the game is not the same.
While I see your point, because World of Warcraft is based on the Warcraft universe, but they exist as separate games; one being an RTS, and the other being an MMORPG.
In the sense that WoW Classic and TBC Classic are different games, I would agree that Retail is a different game, but the three are all parts of the same game, i.e. any given expansion from WoW is still WoW, but at the same time any given expansion of WoW has changed the game enough that you could call it a different game (though, I’d be curious how it would play out in court, but maybe that’s why Ascension exists. Is classless WoW not WoW?)
I see. So yeah, in that regard I can agree. Or at least understand what you mean, even if I wouldn’t describe them as being different games, but now we’re into semantics, rather than the point. I don’t think there is any disagreement here.
World of Warcraft retail is barely an RPG. It looks more an action game than an RPG as the RPG elements were replaced by convenience that players kept asking more and more.
You didn’t go to a class trainer to learn spells anymore, they’re given to you. For free.
You don’t need to pay a trainer to reset your talent trees. It is given free to you.
You don’t need to train your weapon skills on a certain weapon, they’re given free to you.
Things started being hand over to players as the RPG element is basically gone.
A “hero” game where you are a “hero”. Basically the cringe “nephalem” of Diablo 3.
That is why we must reject Dual Spec and embrace whatever we have left of the original world of warcraft while we still can, because after this is downhill with no good things.
Yeah. Especially so, since we start with all the changes brought by the last patch. So we won’t even be able to play death knights in Wrath Classic as they were originally introduced.
There are some things I like about TBC Classic, but after having played through WoW Classic, and reliving this experience, I can better understand people who disliked TBC from the beginning.
Did. Statements and assertions. No explanations.
But you did by acknowledging what I said.
Nope. It’s an expansion.
Facts. Explanations.
You lack basic understanding of those.
You lack both.
I know how to back what I quote. You don’t. You just say things and expect people to believe you by fiat.
You cannot prove Dual Spec makes the game more toxic.
Unfortunately you’re another cheap troll that comes to the discussion unprepared and not ready to discuss facts.
You open with a lie building up a fallacy that I have not explained or discussed anything, while it is true that you only need to read the thread and you’ll find all my explanation and statements.
Regardless, I have no intention of bringing light to ignorant people and I just want them to be gone from my sight, therefore…
Asking for people to prove what they say is not trolling.
I’ll discuss the facts as soon as you’re ready to provide proof.
Of course I would. Because when asked, you provided nothing by an unsubstantiated assertion.
I read the thread. You provided nothing but statements that can only be taken as facts if also taken at face value.
I’m not going to believe what you say simply because you said it because you can make up whatever you want.
You can’t say you have no intention of doing something you’re incapable of doing anyway.
OK for one of all the posts I’ve ever seen for dual speck I have never seen someone actually claim that it would fix that it would fix the tank in shortage.
I’ve seen plenty of people say it would help fix it or at least help it a little bit is it going to fix nor.
Have I reclaimed it’s going to be this Perfect feature that’s going to bring a ton of people back to the game however.
I do think that it would possibly encouraged people to come back And it would help things.
And not to remain at least I’m not so rose tinted to look at tbc Is ember 10 that it’s perfect when clearly there’s problems.
And I think dual spec could help those problems I’m willing to try it at least because guess what.
The game is dying in case you haven’t noticed And yes I’m more than aware that the best change could happen they get rid of all the bots but that’s just not going to happen.
Is so yeah
Yeah I agree and although I can say I’m not really a fan of shadow ends at all I can see it’s good points or rather what they were trying to do.
Which is kind of ironic to me hes arguing RPG elements when G elements when that’s exactly what they tried to bring back and it worked out terribly.
Me personally my very expansion will always be Wrath Of The Is Litch king.
Class His balance was at its best overall I like the zones and everybody felt good to play no matter what you do where are there some problems like the bubble Spam.
Yeah but overall I think it was that perfect balance personally.
Now I do things there should be some changes when they bring that out but yeah but yeah I do get what you’re saying though.
Just read the thread.
If you can’t read, ask somebody to read it for you.
Already given in the thread. You just can’t read.
Thanks for confirming that you lies and resort to fallacy.
You didn’t.
The opinion of someone who didn’t read the thread or even tried to discuss what I presented.
Instead, you resort to lies and fallacy.
You are not going to believe on what I say and you also wouldn’t debate what I said.
Weird.
Debate instead of building up lies and fallacy. It is there. Quote it. Say your piece. Be honest, be open. Don’t hide behind lies and fallacy.
I think you just proved my point.
Did. This is now the third time I’ve said this.
Can read. Nothing you said indicates what you’ve said it indicates.
Blanket statements and face-value assertions are not proofs.
Not sure what there is to lie about considering you’re the one I’m asking to substantiate things.
I did.
The opinion of someone who read the thread and noticed the person presenting had nothing but blanket statements and face-value assertions.
Need to have something to lie about in order to lie. Need to have something to argue about before I can resort to a fallacy.
Present an argument or something first then accuse me of lying all you want. At this point, all I have are questions you can’t answer.
No, not going to believe what you say just because you said it. You need to prove it. Without proof, there is no debate.
Bring up something worth debating and then we’ll debate it.
Good. This means I proved that you are incapable of bringing forth something to debate.
This guy is the cheapest troll I’ve ever seen.
Is shutting down debate, lying, building up fallacy, and won’t even debate the points I’ve made, facts I’ve presented and ultimately whatever upset him.
He will just continue to engage replying things that are not even the core of what he disagrees with me (without even explaining himself or whatever).
Easiest troll, cheap bait.
Reading this you could easily be forgiven for assuming that dual spec were already in the game and people were petitioning to remove it. You’d be forgiven for assuming that all the claimed “benefits” of dual spec were self evident.
Like many others in this thread you’ve managed to completely reverse the burden of proof without so much as blinking - with a complete sense of self-righteous entitlement.
However, it’s your side of the argument that needs to prove why the change is needed. It’s your side of the argument that needs to prove the claims of benefits. So, far your side has merely asserted that the need is there and the benefits are real. You’re making all the claims and so far those claims are not tested.
Need isn’t a requisite, Blizzard said so themselves, so this burden shifting nonsense is just that: nonsense.
I even gave reasonable arguments. He wouldn’t dare to touch it.
No one can refute those. I’m open and willing to debate, and yet, undefeated.
Dual Spec was released at the same time the game had peaked in its subscribers. Dual Spec is not a new idea. It was in the game at one point in time.
Again, Dual Spec was implemented in the game already. It’s not a new idea that needs to be tested because it has precedent.
Blizzard said they would work with the community on the types of QoL changes they would like to see in TBC Classic. Dual Spec is one of if not the most talked about changes and the consensus on that has been overwhelmingly positive.
Yes they were. Dual Spec was tested and then implemented back in 2008 when the game was in its most popular stage.