Dual Spec Middle Ground

Ideally yes, but how do you tell the botters from the players? If you make some kind of “test” the botters will just alter their bots to pass it. Do you know how many hoops I jump through just to make sure my companies emails don’t get marked as spam?

There are ways. Move their location and monitor their behavior for example. Bots are scripted, they’d just continue what they are doing or stop. A human player would be more like wtf just happened. There are ways, it’s just that blizz doesn’t want to spend the money to do it and lose the botter subs.

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Lol this isn’t a real world economy you silly goose.

It stays the way it was. Just because I’m better at Mario 64 as an adult doesn’t mean they need to remake the game with the levels harder. When I play Mario 64 I expect Mario 64.

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1 ) If there was 10x more gold inflation in Classic TBC than in old TBC/vanilla, that would make the 50g respec only a 5g respec. Or in the other direction, a 50g respec would be a 500g respec. They added Tinnitus because the drum-meta wasn’t a thing in old TBC, and they didn’t want it to become a requirement in TBC. Thus Tinnitus was necessary to make Classic TBC feel like TBC.

The same thing goes for world buffs, which were the meta in Classic but not in Vanilla. Blizzard disabled world buffs in TBC because of the uproar against them. Was that a good thing or a bad thing?

In old Vanilla, there was supposedly a girl that was selling her virginity on ebay for an epic mount. That was because 1,000g was so hard to get back then. I mained a druid and I literally used my travel form till a while after level 60 because I struggled so much with gold. Isn’t the easy availability of gold changing the dynamics of the game? Wouldn’t it be better to adjust the game to make it feel more like Vanilla/TBC?

2 ) Would Mario 64 be better if it was made more difficult?

It just wouldn’t be Mario 64. It’s not about better or worse.

This is TBC Classic. So I expect TBC Classic.

If you want a special retail-influenced or later-expansion influenced TBC, then you’re fighting the wrong fight, you should be asking for TBC+ servers, which Blizz indicated they may even be interested in (at least in regards to vanilla classic).

So maybe you should go for that instead of trying to retroactively make it so I was false advertised.

I even support those as well, so I’d be on your side for that.

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Classic TBC is nothing like TBC, so why do you play it?

Because given how much I wanted to play TBC in it’s true form after so long, I’ve been forced to reconcile with several changes. I didn’t have a choice in the matter, doesn’t mean I wasn’t arguing against those either.

There’s a line in the sand somewhere and if Blizz crosses it I’m sure I’ll know.

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The gold cost argument is so dumb. Seriously people. You dont need to be respeccing more than twice a week. That’s not how the game was designed, not how it is supposed to be played. 100g/week is a joke. If you can’t make that tiny amount of gold you’re barely even playing the game. Doing nothing but transmutes, or cloth cooldowns every 4 days - which take less than 15 minutes a week - would net you 100g and change.

This constant retail dual spec whining has gotten out of control.

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Are you opposed to Blizzard turning off world buffs? Are you opposed to Tinnitus debuff?

Do you think world buffs make the game more fun? Do you think leatherworking being required to raid makes the game more fun?

Do you understand why there has been such an uproar to change these things?

I’m not exactly a fan of same-faction queues, but 1-hour queues aren’t fun. A lot of people only have a few hours to play the game. Long queues and tank shortages means they don’t get to play.

I don’t want TBC changed, but I don’t mind Blizzard fixing glaring problems that have a greatly detrimental effect on the game, as long as it doesn’t make the game feel like a different game.

If they lowered respec costs to 10g, people could use their daily heroic gold to pay for a two-way respec and still net a few gold. It doesn’t mean that specs won’t mean anything, but it will certainly increase the number of tanks/healers somewhat, which would allow more people to play the game.

While I was hesitant about same-faction queues and argued against them. I’m now in favor of them. Although I do think Blizzard should do more to incentivize more people to play alliance until factions are more balanced, and I think Blizzard should do more about badly imbalanced and dying servers. I don’t remember any servers being 100% alliance or 100% horde in TBC, but nearly half of them are that in Classic TBC.

You know what else is a joke? Idiots coming on here and telling us what Blizzard’s “intent” was with things like respecs, costs, etc. If Blizzard had intended people to only respec 2x a week, Blizzard could have very easily added code that only allowed players to respec 2x a week.

This constant “pretending that Blizzard’s intent is both known to all and only aligns to my ideals” you #nochanges clowns throw out is nothing more than self serving trash that never has evidence backing it nor does it address the fact that Blizzard itself stated they were looking at dual spec for TBCC which means what? Oh that’s right! Blizzard may or may not INTEND to add dual spec.

Blizzard opened this door by specifically stating they were looking at potentially adding dual spec. So why don’t you take your “they intended” argument and crawl back under your #nochanges bridge, take a nap, then get ready to spring into glorious #nochanges troll action the next time someone comes up with something that is “clearly against the intent of the game.”

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You’re right, it should be more expensive to match the inflated gold you can get in TBC via questing/mob kills/item vending etc. 50g was chosen for the classic world, so it should be more expensive. Be thankful it’s only 50g.

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Their intent was for respecs to cost up to 50g. You know how I know? Because that’s what it is.

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Funny how your “knowledge of their intent” changes from “you were only supposed to respec 2x” to “goes up to 50g”. It is almost like your first post was complete trash and now you are stuck quoting a basic fact. Sweet. Now cover the fact that Blizzard expressed interest in exploring dual spec for TBCC. What was their intent with that statement? I am dying to know what a bridge troll with a painted clown face can tell us about that!

It doesn’t really matter how I feel about those because Blizzard did them regardless of how I feel, so I have two options: quit or reconcile.

The fact I reconciled with drums changes or seal of blood change, you can take from that whatever you will. Maybe those changes weren’t “bad enough” to make me quit. Maybe if they added, dual spec, it also wouldn’t be “bad enough” to make me quit either, but it doesn’t mean I won’t fight tooth and nail to do my part, to give my voice to the force that tries to keep it from being added.

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We are exploring dual spec now, in these forums. And we will continue to “explore” it for a few more years, just like last time. You are getting an authentic classic experience.

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Sounds like speculation similar to your first post. Have any facts to back that up or are we just going with #clownshow? Oh that’s right! You…just like me…have no clue what Blizzard is thinking with regards to dual spec and TBCC. There haven’t been additional statements after the fact. There hasn’t been an indication one way or the other. We are two months into TBCC. Season 2 hasn’t dropped. Substantial raiding content hasn’t dropped yet. But hey, Qbert the Painted Clown Bridge Troll knows “it definitely isn’t happening.” Right.

If you could please provide a source for this?

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For what? The dual spec exploration?

Your argument is people should be scheduling Arena matches one day a week? Well, they’re already doing that or just not playing at all because of the absence of Dual Spec.

No, my argument is you can do weekly pve content in one day a week, if you want to PvE too. With ease, in this silly phase.

AND my argument is gold is friggin easy to make right now, so if you cant keep up with respec costs you’re either respeccing WAY too much or making zero effort to make any gold, or both. That’s the only way its possible to not afford 50g respecs with the current state of the game.

People were spending as much as 1,000g per week on silly raid consumables for nearly 2 years. Did the game die? Actually, it defied all doubters and did pretty great. Now people are threatening to quit over 50g respecs? At a time gold is easier to make than ever? It’s easy to see what happened; the lvl 58 boost brought all the retail players in that freak out at the first sign of minor inconvenience.

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