Against all the foul corruption of the world! If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem! Enough of this petty fighting. We go to the root of the problem and cleanse azeroth once and for all! Any who stand in our way will fear the might of nature’s wrath!
Gonk Guide us to VICTORY!
The faction you chose burned a world tree while actively dessicating natural resources and wildlife this whole expansion.
You’re not entitled to the high horse.
She’s a Zandalar druid, she wasn’t even there!
“The faction you chose”
I didn’t choose any faction. I am a servant of Gonk. My people are not something I can control. That is what I mean.
Though I do feel like I should say Teldrassil wasn’t a proper world tree. The dragons refused to bless it. And now the dragons are powerless. There is only one world tree and it is Nordrassil. What happened to the people of Teldrassil was a tragedy. But the horde has ousted the culprit and arrested loyalist…
If we were to be petty I could bring up how you invaded our city and killed our King…
But as I said these petty squabbles must stop! The cycle of hatred must end! And if I have to be the first one to let go in order to save azeroth than so be it. You’ll lose a lot more than a tree if we don’t purge the corruption taking root. N’zoth is free! We don’t have the time, energy, or resources to waste on this conflict anymore. The only thing that matters is saving Azeroth.
Ohhh noooooo. We killed your king while you aided our enemies and fired on our ships. Ohhh noo. That must have been so hard for you. You must have like. Lost so much.
We can dissolve the factions after the Horde meets justice.
However the narrative lead of this game is body pillow self insert Sylvanas waifu trash so that likely will never happen.
“Ladies and gentlemen… we got 'er.”
Problem solved, we can all go home now. :^)
I mark every tree I see! Even Tree druids!
Wait, didn’t the Night elves send soldiers to sabotage the Blood elves when they were culled to near genocide and struggling to survive? Sounds like karma to me.
Didn’t the blood elves throw a princess fit and join the Horde? The same Horde founded on demon hopped up Orcs?
Wasn’t it the corrupted draenei that originally decided to manipulate the orcs in the first place? 
And funny that you’re deflecting your whole “high ground” argument to something unrelated. No place to be crying about your tree when you actively tried to sabotage a race that was near extinction already. D’awh, how sad!
So like… The event you’re talking about happened in BC. Around the same time your race were sucking the light out of literal space angels for kicks.
How are you sympathetic?
Also, Draenei =/= Eredar. The Horde consistently had to make distinction in the races they add to say “They’re not the evil ones” so i think the difference between a demon race and an original copy should be relevant to your history.
Of course… The difference is your version of Eredar actually is in your faction lines.
You should try reading this dissapointing lore it’s super neat.
Is this before or after you sent Night elves to sabotage their sanctums, you know, the only thing keeping their city safe from the scourge threatening to wipe them out completely? Or before or after you waited until they were on the brink of extinction to send troops to engage them in the ghostlands when they were only trying to defend their lands? And then you have the audacity to pretend like we should feel sympathy for being in the same situation now? Sounds like you reap what you sow to me.
Eredar are simply the Draenei that sided with the legion though, they’re their very brothers and sisters. And instead of fighting to protect their world the remaining Draenei ran away and settled on the Orc’s planet Draenor. You know, the peaceful, nomadic orcs that lived in harmony with the elements and the planet itself until the Draenei left a trail of cosmic light for the legion to follow all the way to their planet.
But yes, let’s pretend it was the just the Orcs.
Bah…
I was hoping they were summoning Captain Planet.
These lore events were simultaneous in addition. I don’t know how you don’t know that other than maybe being new around here. What happened to the Blood Elves from the scourge was tragic but you became pretty villainous as a result. Arguing with you is fun but the only Horde races i despise are Forsaken and Orcs.
Pick one
Eredar are Draenei who sided with the legion and Blood Elves are all responsible for the evil in the sunwell raid, and were petty High Elf children who worshipped Azshara…
Or
Draenei are refugees escaping demons who took a bunch of their people and Blood Elves are survivors of all Elvish tragedy who left Kael Thas and restored the sunwell.
That is the argument you’re making with the distinction of “These separate groups are all the same”.
Onto Orcs. Peaceful Orcs period are a retcon which is why their lore haunts them so much, and why blizzard attempted a paradigm shift with Warlords. What i meant by “Your Eredar are within enemy lines” essentially is that Orcs got demon-changed THEN founded the Horde twice through their evil clans as invaders, then through the much more tolerable Thrall.
Yours and my races escaped evil and change… Mostly.
Then onto your original point… The Horde and Alliance were not allies in BC and you were sucking light out of angels. You hardly get the sympathy card there.
Whereas the Horde and Alliance were on an active truce after fighting space Satan so that was the best time for the third attempted Horde genocide in the lore, only this time nearly successful.
You don’t have a smoking gun here. I’ve been on blizzard’s crappy ride too long. I will admit though…despite this fun debate i still have a soft spot for Blood Elves. And Trolls.
(P.s i found the quests… Great take for drama but the Night Elves were spying not eradicating.)
Regardless of how “villainous” they might have appeared, which they really weren’t, the Night elves actions were completely uncalled for and entirely insensitive to the fate the Blood Elves were struggling to face. The only reason I bring this up is because you’re sitting here kicking your feet crying “but mah tree!” when Night elves gave no such sympathy to those who faced the same crisis.
You seem to be missing the point entirely. It was the relationship between the Eredar and Draenei that led to the legion chasing them to Draenor in the first place, Sargeras even refers to Kil’jaeden’s pursuit of the Draenei a personal grudge that he had no interest in. The Draenei settled on an inhabited planet, endangering not just themselves but the indigenous life already living their, and the very planet itself. They didn’t even bother warning the Orcs of the legion during their time there either.
It seems strange that you’re so quick to exonerate the Draenei for their acts, but blame the Orcs for being unwitting victims of the legion and making them out to be blood-thirsty killers when after the effects of the demon blood wore off many were stricken with grief over what they had done. It’s been the driving narrative of Saurfang this entire expansion actually.
What is, and isn’t retconned is pretty irrelevant considering that only current canon events are relevant. I’m not gonna sit here citing lore from the RPGs, and then tell people it was retconned as an argument when people tell me that it’s not current lore. Yeah retcons suck, but you can either swallow that bitter pill, or avoid bringing it up.
Are you referring to one small order draining M’uru? Even though Blood elf society at large condemned the act, and saw it as immortal. Even the Farstriders protested the idea. And yet the Night elves actions weren’t to rectify what the Blood knights were doing, they were there to cruelly preying on the elves in their moment of weakness.
It’s less about wanting sympathy, than being shocked that you’re trying to play the high road card after taking part in such atrocious behavior when another race was faced with the same dilemma.
I mean, the Horde and Alliance were on an active truce, but it was Alliance agents killing the Horde goblins for mining Azerite before any actual war broke out. Truces only last as long as the peace does after all.
The blood elves first had to “forcibly” remove Night elves from Silvermoon city, then in the ghostlands the Night elves take over settlments that force the Blood elves to combat with them once again. There’s a questline in the ghostlands where you, and some blood elves are literally ambushed by Night elves. “eradicating” is not the word I’d use, but they certainly picked an interesting time to invade their lands and engage in combat with them.
In addition to all this the Night elves then send a Dwarf to Silvermoon under the false pretense of establishing an alliance with them, but then use him to get detailed schematics of the Sanctums to which they then use to sabotage it. A vital source of magic they were using to battle off the scourge.
You really have no place to be telling anyone to feel bad about your tree after all that. Not to mention after this whole “Night warrior” business with Tyrande, we’re only likely to see more and more scrupulous behavior from her and the Night elves that will likely end up in spilled blood from both the Alliance and Horde sides. But I guess we’ll have to see.
Haha… Insensitive spying. You were wrong. Get over it.
The difference between Orcs and Draenei are one ran and the other reveled in power and became something similar to the Eredar… Then proceeded to massacre the Draenei and went on to invade and massacre the citizens of Azeroth.
Also that inconvenient tidbit of information you skipped where the Orcs invited the legion to Draenor. Not the Draenei. The Draenei successfully escaped and moved on peacefully. The two are not similar at all.
You’re not very consistent.
Also… Small order of murdering a Naaru holy crap you’re completely past rationale and lost in the Horde tribalism sauce. Woooo.
Furthermore the scourge invasion and the Horde invasion were not similar… One was a faction of chaotic evil undead hellbent on destruction and the other was a faction currently at truce who then proceeded to pull a cowards genocide, while unlike the scourge, should have fully understood why that was bad.
Standing aside and scowling doesn’t win you points. Try a history book.
Also… You’ve outed yourself lore unaware in our conversation… Again…
Sylvanas orchestrated the azerite attacks, not the Alliance. Like. That was a big thing on these forums when the playerbase figured that out. She misled our operatives to believe she was planning to essentially make nukes and start a war so she could say we started a war.
You gotta try to read the lore outside of Horde tribalism. This stuff is truly dissapointing.
Every moment before the war started Sylvanus was planning her burning of Teldrassil. Please go read.
Oof oof oof. Dude spying is equal to instigating warcrimes and genocide…? Your post is a novel and i have no idea what kind. I’m going to be honest your posts so far are riddled with so much false equavalence, and straight up missing or glazed information i don’t know how to feel about it.
And Tyrande is more justified than the entirety of your race so uh… Nice… Whatever that paragraph was? Ugh. Your tribalism is gross. Come back to rationality. False equavalance isn’t a good look.
If you’re looking for Alliance evil there are actual examples you just have to read and not repeat the ones constantly talked about by the average Horde player. Ya’ll keep saying Turajo like it was Alliance who did it.
Honestly it’s amazing.
(Also stop with your starter zone examples. Your quest givers said it was to destroy the sanctums because it fits their narrative. The Night Elves in the Alliance side of the narrative were just… Spying… And that is all that was ever accomplished. Juxtapositioning from that to a literal genocide is making you sound crazy.)
Also… To be honest. The equivalency narrative will never happen. Whatever idiot is in charge has gone way too far. Nothing the Horde ever does or has done to them will ever be justified because the atrocities you guys commit have piled too high.
Initial invasion
Theramore
Gilneas
Teldrassil
Darkshore
Each one not a small but a rather massive example of excessive cruelty and unnatural violence. The only way forward is faction dissolving or Alliance atrocities…
Which still won’t make anyone happy. You give the Alliance atrocities and no matter how bad the Horde will never be justified as the Alliance can still go-
“Well yeah… But the first x amount were all you so whatever it’s not like you’re the good guys”
And if we dissolve the factions the Alliance just gets… To take everything the Horde did and move on i guess.
I can’t really think of an appealing conclusion. The Horde may mot have written itself into this mess but it certainly gets to live with it as a playerbase.
Well. At least the ones who can read i guess.
(P.s Even if i clearly don’t agree with you i really like how you commit to an argument.)
The faction you chose were actively corrupting children of Loa (aka Wild Gods like Cenarius and Aviana) to become mindless servants of the Void and forcing the Elements to serve them against their will (See Void Elves and Dark Irons). In fact, you likely PARTICIPATED in it if you ever did the Incursion Assault on Zuldazar,
You’re not entitled to the high horse either.
The Dark Iron are gross but conflating your Loa significant to you with Wild Gods significant to the Night Elves is a really round about and inneffective argument.
Even more so after everything in the lore before that moment.