Says the guy who has only experienced one of hundreds or thousands of different raiding groups.
Obviously his is the only opinion that matters…
How dare someone suggest something happened without his knowledge.
You guys will just find out the hard way then lol…
Too many people think that these meme specs will be viable because they’ve played on private servers or watched videos on youtube of supposed “vanilla” gameplay, but they don’t realize that a lot of those servers got numbers wrong and also, buffed up hybrids to make them a thing.
Rule of thumb: If the “vanilla” videos you’re watching aren’t in 4:3 ratio and under 480p quality, it’s probably not an actual vanilla video. (unless someone intentionally tries to trick people with a modern clip by recording it like it was from back then)
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Druids can tank just fine and are close to Warriors overall. They do take more damage, but that doesn’t really matter as they make up for it with higher threat generation. They can still MT almost any boss in the game. There are only a few exceptions such as Nefarian (you are insta-dead if the Druid class call happens) and Twin Emperors (an Unbalancing Strike crit is a one shot to anyone).
Paladins on the other hand can’t tank in raids very well due to mana issues as well as not having a way to avoid crits and crushing blows without the extra armor and hp Druids have.
There were plenty of people playing the hybrid dps specializations in Vanilla, to say otherwise is disingenuous. My guild was paladin heavy, one BWL we had 14 paladins in the raid. Guess what, we still downed every boss. From what this forum spouts we shouldn’t have even downed Vael, let alone every boss. You don’t need to min/max to clear a majority Vanilla content. It makes it faster sure but the main thing is to have fun.
All i can say is to play your way. I’m not asking you to sacrifice your way of fun for someone else’s. Have fun raiding naxx at break neck speed, by all means. I’d rather people have their fun by playing what they want. You don’t even need to get to naxx, that’s a mythic retail mentality. Have to race to beat the game within a week of content release. In Vanilla it was okay to not see content.
I’ll be having my fun with people playing how they want. I probably won’t ever be in naxx but i will be in AQ40. How do i know this? I did it in Vanilla. By no means was my guild the best but we stuck to it and pressed on. Our first Onyxia kill was by 24 people in dungeon blues and greens. We downed Rag in two weeks form starting MC. As i stated before we downed all BWL with 14 paladins in the raid. I tanked ZG and AQ20 as a paladin. It can all be done.
Classic will be patch 1.12, technically 1.13. You can clear content by min/maxing but you don’t need to. You go ahead and clear the content faster, I’ll be having fun my way. To say that I and others can’t unless we play exactly your way…that’s just wrong.
There are plenty of ways for a prot paladin to not be mana starved. I’ve listed them time and again, it’s the same for any caster. Crushing blows will be on the table, 70% avoidance is obtainable but yes that leaves 30%. Paladins may not have the same HP levels but they’re the only tank that can utilize Power Word shields. Warriors and druids can’t because it hampers their rage generation. Paladins use mana, our abilities hit through it. An extra 1k+ base hp every 15 second.
Play with only warriors if you wish, ill be giving prot pallies and druids a chance.
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Which is particularly stupid as far as Classic goes considering Method didn’t come to the light until Cata.
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Paladins in classic do not have a taunt sooooo there is that
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I prefer Commander…thank you very much
Oh, im sorry. Thanks Commander obvious.
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Druids are great, but Paladins are only useful for AoE tanking and even then you can easily get a Holy Paladin to put on tanking gear for it as long as they spec Concencrate. That 70% is actually 72.4%, though both requires you to gear for a ton of block chance. Even if you get that block chance, your threat will be abysmal with that gear compared to a Warrior or Druid.
Tanking Ability
Warrior Tank: Excellent
Druid Tank: Good
Warrior DPS: Decent
Paladin Tank: Awful
Shaman Tank: Worse than Paladin
We will just have to see how far paladins can tank. We won’t know until it’s tried. Simple as that.
You can also use a manual push mower to mow your lawn, but a gas or electric mower makes the job way easier.
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I already have a full time job, i’d rather not play games like one. That’s for Mythic world first guilds. I’ll be good playing that way i wish.
The gear for them doesn’t really exist, so…comfortably, 5 man. Can you brute force it further? Yeah, but I wouldn’t want to be a healer in that raid.
Would be more entertaining, got a little boring spamming flash of light on the MT my time through Vanilla. Got me my shockadin gear though.
That means you have less time to play, so why would you waste time with an inferior tank when you can very easily get the proper tank class? There is an abundance of good Warrior tanks.
Because thats the way i like to play. A little bit different and if that means more challenging then so be it. Thank you for being so interested in my style of play.
It’s still very inconsiderate to the other 39 people in the raid to waste their time like that. Slowing down progression means more grinding for them as it takes a lot less consumables when the raid is on farm than it does to progress.
The greatest part of it is that those 39 other people have the choice of allowing or not allowing that 1 person to raid a certain way. You find the guild that suits you, not force them to accept you.
There will be many different kinds of guilds, shocker i know.