I think people are going to be surprised with what paladins can do. I did a couple of dungeons I’m the beta and it went a lot better than expected. That said I’d do it with a good group, not a pug
Very true that many speak confidently when they don’t have experience. But druids have growl in vanilla right? That’s a taunt
a feral will produce more than a thunderfury dual wielding prot warrior? i highly highly find that unlikely. link a source
edit: after asking some people more informed on the situation, it does appear ferals can produce more threat thanks to crowd pummeler.
But, a warrior still finds himself superior in the situation because he simply has better utility
Elitist Jerks was around in Vanilla, there most certainly was a meta (or at least an attempt at one). Saying that it was all “trial and error” is hilariously wrong.
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Dual wielding prot warriors wont be a thing in classic. They are only a thing in pservers. Because the data for bosses is wrong and the bosses dont hit the same.
My point was that Druids do have a taunt. Thats why I was laughing. You guys on this forum actually have zero idea what you are talking about. Just stop talking, please stop. You are clearly MoP kids who are pretending or you never, ever played a Druid in Vanilla and are pretending you did. Just stop for the love of God.
Warrior tanks > hope and dreams.
Make the right decision at the character creation screen.
dual wielding was a thing in actual vanilla too which was experimented with in some guilds and just perfected on Pservers. Want to see a video of a fury warrior tanking nefarian in actual vanilla?
And hes not even taking that much damage sooooooooo yea
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This again? Druid will try to say they are as good as warriors, simply put they are not. Paladin has no taunt big problem for many situations. Also Mana issues. Druid is JUST ok, they have a taunt they have a attack power debuff, they don’t have a shield, (super important) they take a lot more damage no thunderclap debuff, no fear break stance dance, ECT, people will argue they can do it in ideal situations. To this I simply say I once saw a rogue tank onyixa, but why the hell would you want to put yourself through that kinda brain damage! Just go with the best, don’t settle for the rest!
Are you that dense. I never mentioned that druids didn’t have taunt. I said. That they DIDN’t need it to rip threat from warriors.
Get a clue.
Yeah, only if you outgeared the content. I used to tank Nef on this hunter back then too for the lolz. It wont fly for progression though.
Always fun when someone starts on the right conclusion but then demonstrates they don’t know what they are talking about when they try to explain why the conclusion is right and make themselves look foolish by using the wrong reasoning to get to that conclusion.
block is not important, crushing blows are fine they just need ways to make up for that extra damage taken(higher dodge, more armor and health, higher threat). Unfortunately the math does not quite work out in there favor for mitigation but they do more threat.
attack power debuff, thunderclap and fear break are pointless.
the tank should not be the one putting up those debuffs and both factions have methods of breaking fear(fear ward+tremor totem)
Druids end up being a hybrid between a DW fury tank and a deep prot tank,
They take more damage than the deep prot tank but less than the DW fury and they do more tps than the deep prot but less than DW.
There is no fight in the game that a warrior can tank that a druid cannot also tank.
Also a NE rogue can supposedly hit enough avoidance in vanilla to become immune to melee which would make them one of the best tanks in the game for any boss without magical damage.
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lol…
so now we are only focusing on progression? okay cool. lets keep tweaking the circumstances to better fit your narrative.
and what guild uses fury during progression? people typically use it for speed clears.
and warriors are STILL preferred over bears.
another reason is because warriors 95% of the time will establish aggro faster than a feral will.
And thats hogwash you “tanked” nefarian lol
if by tank you mean everyone else was dead so you had aggro for 5 seconds then sure… you tanked it… Hunters cannot pull enough threat to Tank anything… unless everyone else is garbage, AFK, or dead
im not saying feral tanks are bad… im saying warriors are better…
Except that’s what most of this thread has been about…
Someone posted a video of it acting like it was normal in progression.
Usually, definitely not arguing against this point.
Yes, I actually did. Around that time, there was a hunter who did it on another server and my guild thought it would be funny for me to try it since I was our best geared hunter at the time(I was in the gear I’m still wearing right now). We were almost all the way through naxx at that point, so everyone was pretty geared (healers especially). I respec’d and reenchanted for it and yeah, it went pretty easily actually. Dps had to give me some time to get ahead on threat and would occasionally have to back off, but it wasn’t too bad. The key was the awkward build for it and the way you had to hold aggro. It revolved heavily around spamming wingclip, to fish for procs, that much I do remember.
Here’s an example of a hunter doing it back in 2006 and not on some private server:
So now it devolves into “everyone can tank.” Why are we saying druids and paladins are bad again?
literally any class can “tank” if your dps wait for eternity for you to establish enough threat.
bringing up this kind of stuff doesnt change the fact that warriors > druids over all.
its been theorycrafted into oblivion. warriors are better. ferals are nice and fun to have but warriors are better.
Oh I’m not questioning that at all lol… I’ve stated already that paladins and ferals are not viable tanks for progression content. The only real main tanks are warriors.
Sorry not sure your point your saying the same thing as I did. My point was this topic is a old beat down donkey thread argued at least once a week. Every single thing is argued by noobs but the fact remains warriors are better equipped as a class to do the job regardless of who is able to do it point and fact.
The problem is you said a lot of wrong things to get to the right conclusion and made yourself look like someone who does not understand tanking.
And why should anyone take your word on vanilla tanking when you didn’t even play vanilla?