Dragonwrath tarecgosa's rest seems weak for a legendary

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Am i missing something? As an ele shaman the proc consistently does .3% of my overall damage . It has 2786SP 576 int 314 hit 271 haste + proc.

As reference on a 4:51 ultraxion kill it proced 15 times for 50.5kdmg for .46% of my overall damage, which is kinda high for what I’ve observed.
The same fight a moonkin got 29 procs for 236.6k dmg 2.12% of overall damage

normal rathrak + timepiece = 2945sp 561int 171spirit 171haste + better proc
gain 159 spellpower and a better proc (also proc is aoe)
lose= 15int (35int if using epic gems) 143hit 100haste.

heroic rathrak + timepiece gain 538 spellpower 49int(29int if using epic gems )and a better proc (also proc is aoe)
lose= 120hit 77haste.

I guess my question is why does the dragonwraith proc seem so weak for a legendary. Searching online everyone seems to think the proc is amazing

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Pretty sure the proc will show just the damage from your DoTs. The procs for your casts will show up as just another cast of the spell and not be grouped in the staff proc on Details/logs. Not 100% on that, but I believe that is how the logging works. In which case, it seems like it’s not doing much, but it’s doing quite a bit

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If you’re referring to the proc “Wrath of Tarecgosa” that is arcane damage triggered from the tick of a dot being duplicated. The staff mimics the spell it copies, but since it also copies the tick of a dot and not the full dot cast itself, instead it deals a copy of the magic damage as arcane damage instead.

So for a non-dot based class I would absolutely expect you to barely see any value. For a dot class like myself, it is consistently 5-6% of my damage just from duplicating the dots. I imagine the realistic value increase is roughly 6.5%~8% of total damage.

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Yea, so Amideus’s comment kinda confirms my memory. You’re only seeing value from your flame shock DoT. The rest of your damage from the staff is coming from duplicate spell casts, which are just logged as casts of that spell instead of something related to the staff. Makes it hard to see what’s going on, but you’d probably see an abnormally high cast count while using the legendary over another weapon

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Thnx for the input guys. Upon further testing watching spell id’s, the staff proc does indeed exactly copy the spell and does not show up independently as a proc. The proc that shows up on the dmg meter, is in fact, only the dot copies (always as arcane dmg). That’s what was throwing me off. also it doesnt copy my trinket procs only spells.

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For other classes you can check logs for casts compared to hits and the extra hits are staff procs.

It’s a little harder to figure out for ele shaman since we throw out so many bonus spells to start with.

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the proc only shows if it duplicates a DoT like Flame Shock. if it duplicates Lightning Bolt for example it just shows up under Lightning Bolt, you’d have to check the times cast and times hit and compare the two, but as an Ele shaman you already have a higher times hit stat due to your mastery so its harder to determine

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To be clear as possible, damage that shows in details and warcraftlogs as from the staff, is only when it duplicates DOT ticks.

Duplicated actual spells show as damage coming from that spell type. It can be confusing to properly delve into as a shaman, however -

  • Your echo damage is listed in WCL as it’s own line entry
  • Thus you know your echos aren’t in your Lbolt summary
  • Check total casts and total hits
  • The variance is your staff echo procs

For example, in a log I just checked for an example, it shows like this with two entries for Lightening Bolt -

Lbolt 202 casts 222 hits 10.54m damage
Lbolt 0 casts 54 hits 1.95m damage

This is 202 casts of lbolt with 20 staff duplications, and 54 echo procs.

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And because of all this, its the strongest leggo ever put in the game (: up until legion at least where legendaries are pretty different and can’t be compared.

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Casts that get duplicated aren’t differentiated from normal casts, the only thing you can track in-game without going to WCL are DoT duplicates. It is a really good legendary since the ICD is basically nothing the amount of times I’ve seen myself cast free Fireballs and Pyroblasts 3+ times in a row is more common than I would’ve guessed.

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Overall I think it is kind of weak.

The rogue daggers are amazing in comparison.

But maybe I’m wrong

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Do you know how this works for disc priests? If it’s duplicating a Smite, will Atonement proc twice? Or would Smite just be duplicated and Atonement would only proc once

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It’s not super great for spriest, but going from 391 Nordrassil to Dragonwrath, I went from fairly consistent 19.5k dummy dps to 21.5k.

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I don’t play disc, so I could not say. The tooltip doesn’t require it to be holy damage, so maybe? I remember half-listening to a conversation in guild discord about why disc priest is one of the better healers to get a staff because they do more dps than others generally. But I can’t remember if they mentioned atonement.

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Patch 4.3 also nerfed Dragonwrath’s proc rate and I don’t recall them mentioning that we were going to be getting an un-nerfed version.

Still, it’s a great weapon, it’s powerful and it’s fun. Have never seen another legendary like it, even the Legion ones.

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Another thing to keep in mind is not only the extra dmg from just another spell but it also can proc class mechanics and other things. For example as ele you can throw out 1 lava burst the staff procs fires a 2nd and both proc your mastery meaning you sent out 4 lava bursts in 1 cast.

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Atonement does not proc off the duplicated spell.

(Neither does Telluric Currents for resto shaman, or other effects that rely on the original spell hit.)

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