Did anyone else do the quest at the life pools that entails gathering a healing potion for the old orc who wanted to see the life pools at all cost?
I thought it was really intereresting because it highlights a lot of the isssues with the ‘horde redemption’ arc. This guy definitely had the right mentality about his actions and seemed sincere, but ultimately I just couldnt believe him.
The gall of being a dragonmaw orc and coming to this place is massive, seeking aid from creatures that you brutalized, mentally, physically and sexually. This is the equivalent of secretly being a third reich soldier in hiding, and showing up in Israel.
Why I couldn’t believe him though, is that his contrition for his actions didn’t extend to submitting himself to the judgement of Alexstraza and the red dragons for his crimes. Not sure if this quest continues or not. If so I didnt see the second part, so forgive me. But as it stands he just comes off as a virtue signaling coward.
Not trying to make this a horde hate train topic, but this seems to be a common thing, everyone claims to be reformed, but I dont think any of the many invovled in the Burning of Teldrassil ever took responsibility for their actions in any meaningful way.
The Dragonmaw orc, Duroz, insisted on joining the expedition to help and it goes sideways for him real quick because he’s old as dirt.
His companion, Kolgar is the one who asks for your help to get a potion made for him.
As for not submitting himself to some sort of punishment? Who knows. Does it really matter? We both know the red dragonflight wouldn’t have done anything to him and he apparently spent his life after the Second War on the right side of whatever conflict the Horde found itself in.
It absolutely matters, there is a huge gulf between words and deeds. It would make him out to not only be a liar, but also a hypocrite. As it stands, the orc showed up to the pools, professed guilt and proceeded to make use of the red dragonflight for his own benefit again!
And we dont actually know that he would be blanketly forgiven. Some of his victims might even still be around. Maybe even at the pools the same as him.
How is this headcanon? The dragons can live for thousands of years. It isnt even improbable to think that there could be a dragon there that the orc personally interacted with.
I mean, probably but also do you honestly expect him or anyone really to spend the rest of their life going up to each individual dragon and going “I’m sorry?”
Yes. In War Crimes, Tyrande put Alexstraza on the stand and had her recount her enslavement by the Dragonmaw, in an attempt to get one of the most loved beings on Azeroth to say that orcs are monsters and not worth forgiveness.
Only to completely misread the fact that Alexstraza the Life-Binder would love everything on Azeroth and would obviously forgive the orcs as a people. Except Nekros Skullcrusher.
If you spent a large portion of your life doing something that horrible, than yes. There are a lot of real world equivalents that probably shouldnt be brought up here.
And even if they were, seeing as we know how the Reds they are, they would have forgiven him. They don’t really hold grudges towards trying to change their ways.
This thread just feels like another moment to complain about the horde and genocide for the umpteenth time. We get it, the idea of the horde and any sort of redemption is abhorrent to some of you.
Duroz and Kolgar when talking indicate that Duroz has done more than his fair share to atone for his actions during his early Dragonmaw days when enslaving dragons was their MO. He was a warrior against Garrosh and Zeala, against Sylvanas. From the conversation too, we can safely see that he went there to fight, and probably die too. He’s on his own personal penance just as much as we’re there exploring, expecting not to be forgiven, believing he never will be.
It is stated further, and we see it even while playing, the whelps and the Drakonid are too young to remember, the Drakonid havent even seen visitors or anyone until we get there. Sure Alex and crew might remember, but how many of them are there inspecting every little orc running around?
He isn’t some ‘virtue signaling’ coward. He came to face his past, he’s been atoning for his actions. He is walking the walk and not expecting a bit of mercy. Yet, he gets it as that is what the Reds do. Not because he deserves it or they simply dont know, but because of who they are. Wherever you’re getting this all from, you’re fairly off base my guy.
Also:
You straight up don’t even finish the quests. Duroz dies. He doesn’t get to go on living happily ever after. He even dies, to an orc, a traditionally dishonorable death in his sleep rather than fighting. Though I have my own different opinions on that one unrelated here. Kolgar goes one step forward to express that Duroz would not have believed he deserved this kindness from the dragons. Like, he knows he messed up and doesnt deserve anything, never asked for anything, and still gets this very expected Red Dragon care.
I also don’t think it matters. He regretted his actions and spent the better part of his life trying to redeem himself, and decided to go to the Dragon Isles to help the dragons specifically only to die of old age because he’s old as the dirt in Jesus’ shoes.
I don’t think he needed to spend his entire life looking for the one red dragon that would melt him.
Okay.
Now take everything you felt about that orc.
Now multiply it times ten.
And apply it to the Death Lord. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/97450060438044672/1047216321621917766/image.png
The orc spent his life trying to make up for his actions, so it is fine that he was never judged by the community he harmed.
All reds follow the lead of Alexstraza so if she forgave the orcs than there wont be any difference of opinion from anyone else, even regarding the parties directly responsible.
That was a long time ago, they dont even remember.
If you commit heinous war crimes on a community outside of your own, as long as you repent, you need not face justice.