Dragonflight was just Cataclysm 2.0, change my mind

So this morning just for giggles I did Dragon Soul up to the airship (Because the Blazing Drake aint worth slogging through the Spine), partly because I was curious if the Dragonflight Aspect updates translated backwards into Dragon Soul. (They do, coincidentally. Except Ysera. She’s still firmly “sexy dragon lady” model)

It kinda struck me while running it. My only real exposure to Dragonflight was the Emerald Dream and Amirdrassil storylines (I used my pre-order WW Level 70 token on Vanndrel here) so maybe I’m being disingenuous here.

But the Primalists are just the Twilight’s Hammer.
Protodragon Angry Lad is just Deathwing 2.0

So my question is why create an entirely new multi-national organization that utilize the elements and are working to further the cause of a Draconic annihilator and not just use the Twilight’s Hammer? Was it solely to open the door to giving Night Elves Shaman?

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It would seem that you’ve already decided.

wait till you realize BFA was a rehash of MoP.

with none of the good parts

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Cat quests ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM!

But the Warrior Cat RPers …

You’re out of line but you’re not wrong.

I can’t really find a lot of common ground between them other than the Primalists being Twilight’s Hammer 2.0, which I agree with.

Except they’re somehow worse because at least the Hammer used the elements in service of achieving their goal rather than just being really stoked about fire.

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imo the two are basically, they have a different point of history they value, and it shows in how they function. Twilight’s Hammer want the Black Empire to return, Primalists want the reign/war of the Elemental Lords to return. Pre-Titan, Old God Optional. I pretty much view the Incarnates as a microcosm of the entire Primalist organization, nobody was on the same page except that elements are cool and Titans aren’t.

The fact that it was never clarified which pre-Titan point they were supposed to return to is the reason it didn’t last a full lore-year intact compared to the unified central vision of the Twilights. Iridikron and Fyrakk, in two opposite ways, don’t care as long as it’s not Titan, Fyrakk just wants to kill, and Iridikron actively courts any enemy of the Titans he can. Vyranoth is more personal, focused, and nuanced, able to keep a cool head to get the result of no obedience to Titans, freedom for Dragonkind. I figure Raszageth was the only one who could’ve kept them focused on the process, not the result, given how quickly the Incarnates fell apart.

And I take that dynamic, and expand it to the whole Primalist organization. There was not enough effort taken to unify the vision of who they’re meant to be, what their goal is, leaving them disorganized and chaotic like the elementals they idolize, in conflict against each other within months of the war starting.

The Twilights, were carefully planned, organized, centralized around a single unifying vision of what the future was meant to be, to the point that they seem to still have intact cells of agents even after every leader was slaughtered. To still be able to function as a single organization, despite all our victories against them. Because the Old Gods actually know how to plan.

The Incarnates come off as having blindly stumbled into a rebellion, they never, at any point, knew how to rule, how to make a stable organization, and Vyranoth only managed some level of success by blending her ideals with the Aspects she never wanted to fight. And the Primalists, chaotic, ten organizations in a trenchcoat, attempting to embody the elemental lords they implicitly idolize, tore each other apart as a result.