I don’t know where you got that he has the hots for Modera. Have you listened to the Tomb of Sargeras audio drama? He bonded with Maiev over the loss of Cordana and it was her, Maiev, he was refering to with the coin thing.
By the end of the assault on the Tomb of Sargeras it was clear Khadgar was falling for Maiev. (But she has a situationship with Illidan)
I would says depends on the book and depends on the writer. The Exploring series were always filled with personality so that you can tell that each character was different enough.
This does feel more like a lore book hence the lack of personally or lesser focus on it. Maybe Blizzard should have just made it so it was any other mage then Khadgar and for the most any bias can be attributed to said person.
Archmage Khadgar yells: OW!! What in the light was that?!Archmage Modera says: Khadgar, what’s wrong? What happened?Archmage Khadgar says: Something… bit my head I think.Archmage Modera says: Something bit your head? That’s all? Would you like me to kiss it for you?Modera blows a kiss at Khadgar.
At the very least looks like Modera is flirting with Khadgar.
Hmmm
crosses arms in a huff.
That’s his coworker. I refuse to believe it. Let me live in my delulu.
Maybe she’s his work wife. I dunno. I thought there was something hinted between Khadgar and Maiev, maybe I’m wrong.
Again, on the khadgar line, this might sound wrong coming from me, but I am willing to say.
What if the trolls of that time were indeed not as advanced as their night elf cousins? I will be looking stupid saying that, but I think is a possibility right?
Replace trolls with humans, imagine humans 2 thousand years ago, with their mighty empires, Rome, Greece, Idk, and then, a nation in the middle of a big continent starts developing cars, eletric energy, and all of modern technology? If we looked at history we would say that nation was “superior”.
Maybe night elves were a forced evolution, but after so many generations, the other races of azeroth (not just trolls) have gone beyond what the original night elves have accomplished in the hight of their empire.
I know there was the Zandalari at the time, but they never seem to be bundled together with trolls in these lore books.
(Again, to make sure, I don’t think anyone should ever say a group of people or race is superior to another).
This matches with the history of humanity.
Be the nation of Euro, China, Persia… it’s always the same. Those who perceive themselves as superior to others latch onto some aspect of their own culture as proof of their superiority and proclaim those they look down upon as being inferior in that very same aspect.
Rome sometimes like to point of peoples of other cultures that were exceptions to the rule, but this wasn’t really an endorsement of that culture but rather an argument for why those people should be incorporated into Rome because those exceptions were valuable and proof that with some “civilizing” they could benefit Rome itself.
I can’t speak for others, but I understood the intentions at least.
So here’s a question.
Do you feel a more technologically advanced race must therefore be an intellectually superior race?
Presumably you live in a technologically advanced country. Do you think your country, as a whole, is intellectually superior to Syria, which is less technologically advanced?
I’m going to assume you’re going to say no.
Technological advancements do not require intellectual superiority. Superior resources, a better climate, a different cultural push and so much more will lead to greater technological advancements moreso than overall intelligence. Most less advanced countries have evironmental issues that take up more time to overcome than, say, America.
I’m from Brazil, I don’t believe my country or brazilians are superior to other countries, or inferior, but there are things we do better or worse an in those things we can be inferior or superior.
But I can say that in many aspects, we humans of today are superior to the humans of the past, maybe not so much in other aspects.
The rhetoric used to defend this line is very topical.
The line is certainly bad, I think I’m just trying to find a way it doesnt look as bad.
It’s bad authorship. A good author would study the character before writing this book and it looks like the authors haven’t done that. It seems like Blizzard gave them an outline for what to write along with already existing resources showing what the lore is and just copy pasted that into this book. It really makes me question why Blizzard hired two people who have never written for them before to do this if this is a book that can just be written like an encyclopedia without showcasing any personality. It’s also a failure of the authors to use the “superior intellect” line when there are better ways to convey what they meant.
There’s evidence that Rome had invented a steam engine long before the 1800’s but it wasn’t used because it would replace their slave economy, which could lead to things such as a revolt against the government. When it comes to technology, it’s important to look at the positives and negatives it brings. Advancing technologically just because it can be done may not be a smart thing to do because it ignores the issues it can bring. AI is neat but some people think it will replace our workforce, which might not be worth it if it leads to people not having an income, but these sorts of examples don’t seem very relevant to Warcraft. Someone could potentially make a Warcraft story showing such issues and how it relates to cultures mingling together, for example something like a worker in Orgrimmar being worried about being replaced by a fancy Silvermoon arcane golem and thus leading to a distrust of Blood Elves, but a lot of the time we don’t get shown intricacies like this, we just get told something has “superior intellect” without showing why or how.
A similar situation is Egypt and Iron Smithing. Despite the evidence they could have switched to iron as a metal, they continued to use bronze because it was easier for the state to remain in control of it due to the labor required to make bronze viable on a civilization scale versus what it takes for iron working.
This of course kicked them in the butt when the iron using “Sea People” showed up.
Also, IIRC that steam engine was used to open the doors of a temple… which being a source of mysticism was purposefully concealed from the masses. Had it been more commonly known of we might have a different situation entirely.
Sometimes it’s not that the nation is actively fighting against advancement it’s that the people who might have realized what else it could have been used for never knew it was even possible.
Shouldn’t books like these be proofread before publishing by internal staff about the lore?
One would think that someone sat down and proofread the book. But since we know how deeply disconnected from reality that blizz is, wouldn’t shock me one bit if someone at blizz had no problem with it
(No, Rome did not decline to use Steam Engines because they foresaw the industrial revolution and chose to opt out of it. The “steam engines” they possessed were very simple and were viewed mostly as curious trinkets rather than something that could actually be put to practical use.)
Not trying to pick a fight but it’s annoying to see people spread weird internet myths as if they were real. This idea comes from the same sort of people who spend 10 minutes reading about the “Baghdad Battery” and decide that ancient civilizations had power plants.
I was just going off of what other people had told me, so I guess I was wrong.
lol, do people actually believe that?
The one example I know of was a one off used by a single temple to run its doors. It wasn’t even close to being efficient, it was just something that could be done without obvious human intervention.
Welcome to the world of “alternative facts”.
Also, I could always be wrong, I’m fine with that.
We live in a internet landscape where people don’t check any sources, they just assume everything is factual.
Steam power didn’t exist in Ancient Egypt.
The Baghdad Battery was just a hypothesis by an Iraqi museum director to explain why three items that would otherwise not belong together were found together.
Imagination is a powerful tool to hypothesis, but can lead to disinformation.
I thought we were talking about Ancient Rome?
Note: the steam engine I’m talking about used the expansion of water to shift weights around causing the temple doors to open, when a fire was light and to close the doors after it was put out. Not exactly a steam engine by modern standards, but still it turned heat into work.
Yeah, that’s just an interesting thought experiment.
Only possibly advanced tech theory I’ve heard about from Egypt is the possible existence of a massive cutting wheel… that while technically sound… seems sketchy. The evidence is what appear to be score marks on some stones that look like they could have been made by a very large wheel, as in one with a diameter of ten plus feet if I recall correctly.
Technically they could have made such a wheel… but why? IIRC the stones were already cut to size at the quarry and this would have required the stones to be brought to it…
So very true.
Though to play devils advocate… Imagination can also cause us to dismiss evidence, because it doesn’t fit the narrative we want to see or hear.
This is the first time I am hearing of this. Can you share more info it’s facinating.
There was a hypothesis i had for a while about sphinx erosion. Leonard Nemoy used to narratorate Achaeology documentries when I was growing up. I remember there was one that said there was an entire sealed temple to Anubis under the Sphinx but it was filled with water. It feels like a fever dream now as I cannot find a source to confirm if it’s true and I know Leonard Nemoy wouldn’t lie to me.
The only think I can find is Robert Temple theorizing that the Sphinx was once Anubis but he’s not an archaeologist he’s an occultist. I have some of his books. 99% of the misinformation about ancient technology derives from The Chariots of the Gods and the ancient astronaut discourse of the late 80’s to mid 2000’s.