For sure.
I hope that this is just when they quest in shadowlanda itself. So when you are in SW,for example, it gets disabled. Do you know how much mind blast procs i get right now cuE tier set? It’s crazy lol
Random thought: they should change Revel of Purity to spread Purge to a new target on each Penance bolt. That would be fun as heck (especially with Harsh Discipline).
It’s a crappy ability that should just be removed. It has highly limited use by itself and only becomes useful when paired with Surge of Darkness. It’s essentially a 2 point talent node. Saying “just don’t take it” is poor advice since not taking Mind Spike and Surge Darkness is more than likely going to be a loss of damage. It is forcing its way to be more central to shadow since so many other talents have its use in their effects.
I’m seeing more negative feedback of this ability than positive. It is increasing button bloat and some are saying it is making the flow of game play for shadow feel clunkier.
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You still don’t need Mind Spike.
Shadow orbs are consumed completely when you use Mind Blast OR Mind Spike.
You can simply not use Mind Spike and just use Mind Blast for Shadow Orbs.
That’s the point, just because it’s included doesn’t mean you need to use it. Just like Void Torrent affects Dark Evanglism yet you don’t need to pick up Void Torrent as Mind Flay will work just as much.
Mind Blast is baseline where as Mind Spike has similar bonus effects along side Mind Blast as thus is optional.
Mind Flay is baseline where as Void Torrent has similar bonus effects along side Mind Flay and thus is optional.
They are similar but different and thus not central to the spec and as so don’t need to be picked if you don’t want them.
I don’t pick up Void Torrent because I don’t want another channel with a cooldown where I can just use Mind Flay. Same with Mind Spike as it’s a casted spell like Mind Blast but it doesn’t have a cooldown at the cost of ripping dots.
Both Mind Spike and Void Torrent are optional choices. Not mandatory.
Yeah, it’s pretty trash atm. Not that Holy Nova was anything good to begin with.
I posted on the beta forum they should buff Rhapsody by a lot. Like 1 stack every 1s up to like +300/400% damage.
I beleive they already did on yesterday’s patch note though:
- Rhapsody – Increases the healing done by Holy Nova by 20% per stack (was 10%).
Edit: it’s just the healing
Because that’s going off the assumption that it’s a core ability.
I can see many builds that will probably be as good if not better by ignoring Mind Spike.
I can see a more Face Melter build with an amped up Mind Flay along side Shadow Word: Death and More Devouring Plague uptime and damage. By not picking up Mind Spike, you can focus more into the style of play you enjoy.
Mind Spike is a style of burst damage that is separate from your primary target. Once accepting that, the clunk factor takes a back seat because you either don’t need to pick it up or only use it during situational moments and not on your main fully dotted target.
Yup this is still bad. It’s functionally a 10s cooldown to get to old Holy Nova’s strength - because we lost the rank 2. The rank 2 already caused Holy Nova to double cast.
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My problem with holy nova is that I have to take it (or PoM) if I want to path to Spell Warding and Tools of the cloth as disc…
Feels bad man…
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I know there is plenty of iteration to come but all I want to say is please revert psychic link to 60% damage of mind blasts only or dynamically change it between the two if you have mind spike or not. I like psychic link gameplay but I do not want to play mind spike.
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Yeah, it’s still trash. I tested it on beta and it takes 100 seconds to do the same damage/healing as one tick of Divine Star.
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Why did they nerf healing Chorus? Was +50% CoH every cooldown too much or something? There’s no way to baseline spread that many Renews for full effectiveness every CD without taking Revitalizing Prayers and if you’re taking that, you’re taking Prayer Circle instead of Healing Chorus.
You cannot compare with void torrent since it’s a choice you can make to ignore.
Shadoworbs is prewritten to use mind spike as one of the spender. Which makes it a loss opportunity to use it for devouring plaugue, especially when it improves rot dmg.
So instead of giving devour plague agency on the rot side of the tree path, they added the clunky mind spike and we have no choice to say otherwise.
It’s honestly a huge oversight
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Do you think you will get more than 3 Shadow Orbs within the cooldown of Mind Blast?
I’ve tested it a bit and the proc rate is not that much to be seeing that.
So what that means is that without taking Mind Spike, you will have Mind Blast do more damage by consuming more Shadow Orbs more often instead of zero or 1 etc. orb because you used what orbs you did have on Mind Spike.
Shadow Orbs makes Either Mind Blast or Mind Spike more chunky. But with a low proc rate, it will just move that power between either a harder hitting Mind Blast or lower hitting Mind Blast and Mind Spike.
It can be just as well to use Shadow Orbs with Mind Blast, avoid getting Mind Spike and thus removes clunk while working with dots and be more DPS than otherwise.
That is why it’s a choice. You want quick burst windows or more stable DPS long term.
Mind Spike is not a required pick.
In fact, if you pick up Vampiric Insight, you will be getting even more Mind Blast resets in order to consume your Shadow Orbs even faster. Thus making Mind Spike even less impactful.
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It had to do with Revitalizing Prayers. Each time you PoH the group you’ll get 2-3 procs of Renew on avg so that’s 6-9 stacks s potential and 2-3 PoHs would have maxed out the CoH buff easily. Although to take that talent would have required sacrificing Prayer Circle…
My CoH on the PTR does 3,599 a target and you can talent it to heal 6 people instead of 5 and lower its cd to 9s.
Don’t try to argue, Aneurysm is an advocate to Mind Spike and always has a counterpoint and do some gaslighting.
I’m honestly really sad the amount of mind spike talents instead of Devouring Plague. We still have only 2 spenders (ST and AoE) and we have less abilities tied to them than mind spike alone, wich isn’t even required or baseline.
Right now we have so much procs going on too that this can become another SL s3 SP with too much going on at the same time and you do so much micromanagement that your brain just mind melt.
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100% my dude, right on the money.
Really sucks, especially since shadow orbs interaction with mind spike is even clunkyer lol!. Like mind spike doesn’t need shadoworbs at all, it has enough.
Give agency to other mechanics like Devour plague, plz devs
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Gaslighting?
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- manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
Explain how anything I said is wrong? I am testing right now without Mind Spike and it plays smooth with hard hitting Mind Blasts with a good flow with dos and shadow orbs.
Just because some people can’t see a build that doesn’t revolve around Mind Spike doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Making statements like you just did is not adding anything but doing what you are claiming I am doing.
Test it out without Mind Spike, you can see for yourself.
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Aneurysm, I admire your passion for mind spike but you need to understand that mind spike doesn’t need shadow orbs, doesn’t need to be apart of it, and it has enough going for it as it is.
We have more important mechanics in our kit that are ignored, Devour plague, and will work better with a rot style passives like shadow orbs
Thanks for ignoring the rest of what I said and addressing half of a sentence without context. The throughput options available by not taking Mind Spike and Surge of Darkness are just not there.
By not taking Mind Spike and Surge of Darkness:
- Every build is now doing less damage since you are no longer getting an instant cast that grants insanity, greatly increases the crit chance of Mind Blast, and does a fair chunk of damage.
- Psychic Link is now doing less damage since only Mind Blast can trigger it
- Whispers of the Damned is now generating less Insanity since only Mind Blast can trigger it
- Fiending Dark is now reducing the cooldown of Shadow Fiend or Mindbender less since only Mind Flay can trigger it.
Saying it is not a required pick is always going to be a poor argument since you are guaranteed to do less damage without it and making other talents that are generally useful about half as powerful. It’s like saying no one if forcing you to work for a living, but there are practically no viable options to most for not working for a living.
Let’s say you take just Mind Spike only. It now has a use case where you want to quickly kill a single add. The amount of times that happens in practice is quite niche. When you are met with adds with with low hit points, they usually come in groups and are better off mowed down with AoE.
Mind Spike is a crappy ability by itself. Surge of Darkness makes it so that not taking both is a bad decision.
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