This game has NEVER, and NEVER will allow the races to do everything they naturally could. No game that has racial options in fact, has allowed every race to do everything it naturally could do.
For instance, Draenei warriors don’t get to do tail sweeps? Or shatter people’s bones with their hooves, that can break super strong glass easily, per the lore. Worgen warriors don’t get to bite, claw, or swipe.
Heck, EVOKERS, don’t even get to physically claw or bite people either, which are also things that a Dragon naturally would do.
There is no reason to expect or think that Dracthyr should be the exception, or the ONE race that is forced to use it’s body in every class it is allowed to be.
They’ve said that was the point of why Evokers will only ever be Dracthyr.
However, they’ve NOT said that it ties Dracthyr to being only Evokers. In fact it seems to be pointing toward the opposite. To where they are very open and willing to implement other classes for the race.
If anything, having them launch with Evokers only, just serves to help with people who demand lore for each individual spec, and to allow them to give us more classes midway through, to draw more player back in. Every xpac has some kind of feature or customization or something, that they throw in midway through in order to get more players to comeback/keep numbers up.
Like, if ION OF ALL PEOPLE, says something is a DEFINITE POSSIBILITY, and gives us the EXACT lore reasoning for the other classes they’d get in the same interview. It becomes crystal clear. Like, you do realize that Ion is the guy who says no about 99% of things, even things that get added years later, he’s said “never gonna happen” to.
So acting as if they don’t plan/aren’t working on the potential of adding in at least one or two, is kinda strange.
Just like it’s kinda hopium to imagine they’d get in before 10.3.
Ion said plainly that Dracthyr are Evokers, and Evokers are Dracthyr. Further, they’re promoting this entire concept as WoW’s first Race/Class. So yes, they have said it.
Ion never said it is a “definite possibility”, he said it is something the team is “open to consider”. Something they said when people asked about other races being Demon Hunters SEVEN years ago.
In short, don’t be surprised if its 2030, and Dracthyr can still only roll Evokers.
To be fair, I don’t recall Ion being the one to say that.
Again, they’ve also made the distinction that Evoker is the first class to be tied to 1 race. But the way they word, is that Dracthyr isn’t tied to Evoker. Evoker is just tied to Dracthyr.
Either way our bickering won’t be the end all be all on Blizz’s decision. I’m just pointing out, that they did use those specific distinctions in their wordplay.
Not true. Literally every race, to some degree, has evolved via magic. It does not mean every elf has magical powers. There exist elven peasants and commoners.
I’ll reiterate: the point of being a Dracthyr is being a dragon. For other races, it doesn’t matter what class you pick really. There are some lore and balance restrictions, but overall it doesn’t matter if you’re a void elf warrior.
The Evoker class is dragon magic. It ties directly into their powers. Their class has things to do like wing buffets, and using specific draconic magic such as Bronze time magic to heal wounds, and etc. If you are a Dracthyr, realistically speaking, all of them would be Evoker+whatever other class. That’s insanely imbalanced.
Your supercilious attitude betrays your petulance.
Again, not even remotely the same thing. You’re just being disingenious. I’m not talking about race fantasy. I’m talking about literal race powers. It would be like a Draenei that cannot use Gift of the Naaru.
A dragon using regular magic is just regular magic. Not the specific kind of dragon magic Dracthyr use.
Actually, it LITEARLY is true. All High/Blood/Void Elven people are constantly tapped into magic, and it is a VAST part of their socieities. Same with the Nightborne.
The Night Elves, had an ENTIRE empire based on magic, in the same way, to where it was ingrained in their very being. They substituted Arcane, with Nature magic. While a HUGE chunk of them, still use Arcane magic, as that is what in the Lore, Elune’s powers seem to emulate.
So again, ALL ELVES are known in the lore to be connected to, and have some degree of magic powers.
You literally pointed out why EVOKER is only for the Dracthyr.
Bronze magic, is also used by Arcane mages with their Time spells. PER THE LORE. Just because a Dracthyr COULD use a spell or magic type, doesn’t mean that ALL would or Should.
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I’m not being disingenuous at all. I’m using the logic of the game, it’s mechanics, and actual thought, and you just can’t handle it.
The Naaru blessed and guided the Draenei, so they as a people are ALL strongly tied to the light, and it’s magic, it’s a massive part of their society. Yet NOT ALL PLAYER Draenei can cast powerful Light Spells for damage or healing. Instead to make up for it, they get a small healing racial, inspired on their people. THAT’S WHAT RACIALS ARE.
Actually, the Blue Dragonflight uses ALL magic, and are the protectors of Magic. SO technically having the Blue flight in their DNA, makes all Magic their magic anyhow…
That’s literally ALL a racial is, a SMALL thematic spell, buff, or ability to use in combat. OR an out of combat flavor kinda thing. Like the NB mailbox, the confirmed Dracthyr flying system, Worgen’s running wild, etc.
Again, try knowing the game, before you try to arrogantly tell others that you know what you clearly don’t.
They do what dragons do but worse right now. Having some versatility is the only leg up they could have on dragons of the typical variety. Not leaning into that makes the whole race and Neltharion’s experiments pointless. haha
Why have hands with opposable thumbs if you aren’t going to use them? A group of dragons can already use the same magics as a group of Dracthyr and they’re far less fragile to boot.
Needing mana to not devolve into a zombie isn’t the same as having magic powers based on that mana.
It’s literally why they were created by Deathwing.
I’m glad you’ve acknowledged that I’m right. It took you a little bit, but that’s okay.
And I’m telling you that a breath attack for 200 damage is lame and isn’t as interesting as having an entire class based around dragon powers. The class being their racial identity is more interesting.
Again, you’re not getting it. This would mean a Dracthyr would have to be an Evoker+Mage. Blue dragons have specific dragon magic in addition to arcane magic. For balance purposes they can’t have access to mage spells and their dragon spells.
And those are all lame as hell compared to having an actual class based around your abilities.
You continue to attempt to argue from a position of authority speaks volumes about your assurance in this topic. You don’t actually know as much as you think you do so you attempt to use this facade of having more knowledge than me, but you simply don’t.
So the solution to having them be worse dragons is to have them be even worse than they are currently? To be a dragon that has even less dragon powers? The point of the Dracthyr is to give us dragons but massively powered down scale wise so they’re not imbalanced.
That’s not versatility though. That’s giving up dragon powers for other classes. That’s the opposite of versatility.
And I keep pointing out that no racial identity is as strong as Dracthyr’s currently. Dracthyr are Evokers, and Evokers are Dracthyr.
Kind of a weird hill to die on trying to get them to be other classes considering that you know that Dracthyr aren’t going to get any new classes in the near future.
I’ve never said you were right about anything, but nice reach.
WRONG, they were created to be the ultimate dragon. Doesn’t mean that they would all choose to be Evokers. Sentient beings thrive on choice.
Not what I’m talking about, go play the Elven Zones, then go Play Suramar, then READ the WoW books, such as Sylvanas as the most recent example. THAT DOES infact state that ALL ELVES have magic in their blood, and in their society.
They have Evoker for more fleshed out aspects of that, it doesn’t not mean they shouldn’t have other classes.
Then don’t choose options beyond Evoker for them.
Unlike you, I actually know basic Elven lore, from both the game, and the canonized novels. If you’re not going to take the time to read them, and know them, then don’t bother acting as if you have any intellectual ground to stand on here. Simple as that.
They’re not choosing to be Evokers. Evokers are what they are. Evokers are their dragon powers. It’s not a class for them.
Magic in their blood. Not magical ability.
As I’ve said before, any Dracthyr that isn’t an Evoker is just a lizard that hits things with a stick.
Listen, I realize you’re in a lot of mental anguish from reading WoW novels, but that’s no reason to attempt to inflict it on me.
I know WoW lore well. If you started this game at any point after 2006, I’ve been playing longer than you. I remember when all Blood elves had Mana tap and Arcane Torrent. That does not equate to all Blood elves being on the level of even a novice mage.
Not sure if it was mentioned yet as im not reading through 600+ posts but Ion stated in one of his interviews that Dracthyr might be other classes much much later as they learn to integrate into the Alliance and Horde.
But at launch no as that is not how the story unfolds. If/when it happens it wont be till close to the end of Dragonflight.
Now unless Blizz completely foregoes the lore behind them their class selection will be limited anyway. Primal elemental stuff is a given as that is what Azeroth dragons are but the cosmic powers: the Light, Void, Fel probably not.
We all know that NPCs would use Evoker powers on top of other classes. But they can’t give that players due to balance.
Just like Draenei don’t all have Paladin or Preist spells, even if they are a Warrior or Monk.
Gameplay =/= what a race has in the lore as far as tools at their disposal.
We don’t ACTUALLY know when in the future they’d get extras. It could be as soon as 10.1, or they might even change it on launch due to feedback.
Those sources say that they can ALL use magic. So the argument is the same as all Dracthyr have the flights in their blood. But not ALL Dracthyr would theoretically be able to wield all 5 flights that effectively.
Which is still a Dragon, and would be fine.
I actually played in Vanilla, but regardless, you don’t have to read the books if you don’t want to. But you can’t refute the cannon lore that they hold.
You must have a very strange definition of versatility. Being able to perform multiple roles and a variety of tasks/skills is versatility.
Focusing on one thing is the opposite of versatility.
Ion himself said that it’s a definite possibility that they’re getting more classes, and detailed how they would go about that while going as far as to use specific examples.
It lends much more credence to the side that wants other classes than the one that doesn’t considering the man usually outright says no or dances around the issue entirely. lol
Time table is irrelevant so long as it eventually happens to be honest. I expect they’ll do what Ion said. Launch DF with them as evokers and roll other options out later.
I just don’t understand why you folks that don’t want to play them as other classes care. If you only want to play them as evoker if other classes were an option then do so. It doesn’t affect you. lol