Drac'thyr Disappointment Thread: Game Artist's Take

Seeing the trailer for Dracthyr was pretty sad. I have a background in 3D art, primarily prop/weapon/environment design, and seeing a few flaws outright in what they have in place.

WoW’s models typically share animations between rigs, and even with the dubious ‘new’ rig being added, it would be a cakewalk to add animations for more than just the Evoker class. That’s without considering the industry’s tools it has at its disposal to port over animations. You can make any rigged model Fortnite dance, so there’s literally no excuse to not allow other classes from an animation standpoint. It’s absolutely lazy of them to not allow Dracthyr to be other classes, even if it is a simple limited set (though class restrictions are dumb as a concept already).

Dracthyr being forced to go dragon-mode in combat is dumb. This is more understandable from a layman’s point of view. We have Demon Hunters, who can freely swap forms (ie meta/Demonic talents) mid-combat seamlessly through casting Fel Devastation/Eye Beam. This implies the tech for temporary swaps through abilities is possible.

The overall face-shape is unlike anything we’ve seen in Warcraft before, and not in a good way. The faces and bodies are too slender, and even with the promise of bulkier/skinnier frames, it won’t stop the scaly equivalent of baby-face here. There was a good redesign with less cuddly parts and more imposing parts, and I think to really bring out more shape diversity than just one. I’m not even saying to get rid of the original face, just to build onto it to give more interesting shapes to them all. For example, https://twitter.com/thunderbrush/status/1516627407846924288?s=21

This is something I have less experience on, as I am not involved in the gameplay aspect/coding/programming/balancing, but I will nonetheless give my own opinion on it. I think 2 specs is really lame. We need a new tank, as we’re having a drought as it is on tanks. The bare minimum should have been 3 specs, with the dream being 5 specs. I know what you’re saying, “blizzard struggles hard enough with the classes we have already”, but we are entering a new system of talents, and with that comes inherent rebalancing of EVERYTHING. Blizzard has a long time and a large team to balance all this out, since we have 9.2.5, 9.3 and season 4, and however much time it takes to get things in order. They could have even more cool specs, maybe give it the Druid treatment and give them infinite adaptability to encompass each of the Dragonflight’s own inherent strengths with a focus on specializing on them.

Overall, I’m really not down with how Dracthyr will be pushed, the most egregious being the lack of other classes. Blizzard has a long way to go before the travesty that is Shadowlands is forgotten, and putting in a bit of elbow grease is worth it.

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So much this! If I could play in the visage form I would be hyped.

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I have absolutely hated Shadowlands. Dragonflight looks to be a massive improvement. I love the artwork so far, especially compared to Shadowlands. And the game philosophy seems to be changing in a way I really like.

And the new expansion isn’t even in Alpha yet and won’t be released until sometime in 2023. So a lot can change between now and then.

For now, I’m really looking forward to Dragonflight and hope it keeps on track.

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agreed… they shouldnt have a stupid visage mode and just be draconic.

lorewise it makes zero sense… Deathwing crafted them to be soillders…actual dragons transform to hide with mortals… these visage forms are clearly draconic so it doesnt serve that function.

Therefore delete the cringy visage form and leave them as Dracthyr.

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This is true, Dragonflight is very far from launch, and that is why I’m making my opinion known for the fleeting chance it will be listened to. As it is, lots needs to change for the new race to be worthwhile as anything but a novelty/barrier to playing the new class.

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I’m a game artist too! I completely agree with you, another important factor: We can’t fight in the visage form!

I feel like the entire fantasy of a dragon race before yesterday was either a Drakonid guard, or something closer to Wrathion, Alex, Ysera, Kalec, etc.

Nobody got what they wanted, and the latter folk are denied their dream class forever now unless Blizzard changes their mind and lets you fight in the visage form.

Honestly, the reveal that you HAVE to fight in the Drakonid form is such a huge let down, and took me from being extremely hyped for the expansion to being sort of indifferent. It feels like there is nothing in it for me anymore.

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Glad to see another one out there! I can wholeheartedly agree with most people associating the fighting with more humanoid, yet still undeniably draconic, forms. We see Wrathion tear stuff up in his humanoid form, and it’s just sad we can’t do the same. The Visage form limitation is just such a sad thing, and I can only hope they fix it.

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just give us a toy to put dragon face paint on all races to appease these people that clearly dont want to play as a dragon… they just want to cosplay a dragon.

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It’s less that these are Drakonid and more something else, as far as I know.

All the animations use their claws, maw, and wings. I don’t think they can even hold weapons. Evoker is designed around it. Visage is just an illusion hiding their true form. If you want to play an elf then play an elf

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Wrathion is a dragon… youre a Dracthyr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBfIMJi5_88&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft imagine the cringe if wrathion never swapped to dragon form here and just magically floated through the air like superman.

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It’s not dumb. They literally fly into the air and breathe spells down onto things.

I disagree and I think people will be happy with the new customizations.

These models aren’t anywhere near finished yet.

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A new race tied to 1 class is pretty lame

A new class tied only to a dragon race (unless you want to be a dragon) is also pretty lame

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Dragons as we’ve always known them in Warcraft have had humanoid forms, and on several occasions have fought in them. Most of them (i.e wrathion and kalec) are most recognizable for their humanoid form. Being a dragon in warcraft is different from being a dragon in any other setting, they have an identity.

And you say there’s a difference between a Dracthyr and a Dragon. Blizzard explicitly said the point of this was to let you have the dragon fantasy while avoiding the issue of having to shift into a 40ft tall dragon. That SHOULD be something close to what we know and love about dragons in Warcraft already.

At least having the choice would be huge, since RPGs are… Built on choice.

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What if it worked like the demon hunter eye beam? Transforming for animations that require it, then changing back afterwards? It could be on a toggle so people who like the lizard look can be a lizard most of the time, and people who like the visage can be the visage.

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There’s tons of people on twitter who’ve “Fixed” their designs in a day, idk what talent pool they’re hiring from but I feel like WoW is being used as a training tool now.

The class sets that we got in 9.2 that have virtually zero class identity and look worse than the concept art was a big enough red flag.

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They can transform… Alex transformed into a tree before… it isnt specfically tied to humanoid “form”

YES DRAGONS transform… again… youre not a dragon… .youre a Dracthyr… an elite warrior people created by Neltharion to be soilders.

Yes letting you have the dragon fantasy… but here you are crying to not even be a dragon but instead be a elf with face paint.

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It is very dumb. Demon Hunters can shift into their forms quite seamlessly. I wouldn’t mind shifting into dragon-form for those specific spells, but outside of them? We should be given the choice to stay out, a la Wrathion/Kalec.

Exactly why I’m giving this feedback that may or may not be heard. Worth a shot anyways. More customization is better in the long run.

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From the gameplay they showed that could be like every animation.

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Dude, Dracthyr HAVE a human form, it just cant be used in combat, we can transform, we just want to use it in combat.

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