Dps you are the reason tanks dont exist

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I never really experienced this issue until i started tanking, because i main a resto shaman.

But my god it really gets so repetitive when you are trying to tank a keystone and you know you are doing everything the right way and some dps is in the backline doing 4k shouting commands at you every 3 minutes. i am not your butler. i know what i am doing so let me do it. especially when you are in the backline doing 4k dps.

You want tanks do it yourself or stop harassing the people who are willing to do it for you. /end rant

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A Tankless job indeed.

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This isn’t a tanking problem or a role specific problem. DPS are the most common occurrence of this though because there’s 3 for every 5 man group. The odds of it being a DPS are simply higher based on statistics.

The issue here though is that people in all roles can suck and all roles can be rude to one another and everybody sometimes develops a complex. It’s the nature of people.

Easy solution: network and find a guild. Find a group which can run together often where this kind of thing doesn’t happen. People will be happier in all departments. This is part of the issue involving pugging is you never know if you’re gonna get someone rude or not.

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true, but not many people on this early in the morning, lots of rude people in group finder though apparently, i dont know why, or why they are insulting me telling me im not even ksm after i tell them i know what to do, i have been keystone master for 3 seasons in. idk keystone karens out in full force, i just hope they remember this the next time they’re in queue for the tyr dungeon for 2 whole hours.

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It’s true DPS are pretty toxic players (not that tanks and healers can’t be) but the toxicity is usually focused at 2 people, the tank or the healer. so yeah you can see why people don’t want to tank your m+ because they pull the “wrong pack” and you just complain about how stupid they are “why are you pulling this?” etc etc

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And now you see why so many tanks tend to only run with guildies or friends.

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Fixed that for ya. No fear of getting blasted in the face (internet tough guy anonymity) has created an avenue for people to show their true colors.

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I’ve had underperforming HEALERS doing this.

I still love tanking, but I’ve been known to kick people from keys and say, “Everyone out. We’ll do it one lower without this numbskull” and turn around for the exit.

Getting a higher key is trivial compared to dealing with the rage-inducing non-Tank Tanks kibbitzing from the back seat.

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I mean, if youre running keys in the early morning you aint gonna get the best and brightest. Most people are either sleeping or at work. Leaving the pool of players to be mostly the manchildren who never learned how to socialize.

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We get it , because occasional people aggrivate others in mythics or whatever most feel they have to blame and go off on specializations like tanking,dps and healing.

This isn’t just a mythic thing, you get a hats from every side of it not just one or another.

Tanks can be just as toxic

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Preach it, fellow tank!

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Every role can be toxic
I have seen plenty of toxic tanks

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DPS are the worst ones. Most act like they know everything about every spec but their own and suddenly they can’t remember what a cooldown is to quite literally save their life. There is a reason for the term ‘tank shortage’, but there’s no shortage, they’re getting away from toxic, abusive people in pugs.

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People playing early morning on a Monday are going to be on average, young students, college kids, or unemployed. All three are demographics that don’t necessarily need to be not rude. So there’s no selective pressure for them to be nice.

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Number of toxic dps outnumber toxic tanks - queue times says its all , you need 3 dps and 1 tank ,not 3 tanks and 1 dps so the dps should be more in demand

Imagined if you need 3 tanks, how long the queue will be

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Pardon my ignorance. What is ksm?

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There’s really two things at play here.

For queued content like normal/heroics, tanks don’t engage with that content because of how toxic the votekick system is. I used to do the occasional daily normal/heroic, especially when there were tank incentive bags, but stopped after some DPS votekicked me because the healer wasn’t healing at all

Remove votekick, or give tanks/healers a hard veto, and I might go back to doing normals/heroics.

For higher level content, it’s a game of tanks progressing more rapidly than DPS, due to minimal time to find a group. Once I’ve progressed past +5, I don’t do 5s again. Once I’m fully geared, I never pug at all, I only run weekly runs for friends. You’ll never solve this, unless you give me enormous incentives to run lower level keys.

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I play tank, and I play it well, so I can talk about bad tanks being bad all I want.

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Lol ive never had a dps give me grief that i can recall.

Someone said my dh tanking was great yesterday which was weird cause it was only a +6

I did have a healer give me sass once when i didnt see they wanted mana but i asked him if he wanted me to leave and that calmed him down

Overall this isnt an issue

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Morning key people are always terrible players. If I am ever pugging in the mornings, I will probably complete at least one key. Other than that late keys rule.