So, as enhance, particularly in PvP, we need to spend half a dozen GCDs casting feral spirit, shamanism, totems, ascendance, before we get around to actually using DPS abilities during the second half of our DPS buffs uptime?
Come on.
At least for Ele it can be some large healing in AE situations for m+.
But Asc not being on that list is stupid.
Shamanism should be off the GCD too. A 20% haste buff that lasts 10 seconds and is on the GCD? Gimme a break. The GCD cost eats a decent chunk of the benefit. Plus you typically want to cast it in conjunction with a DPS CD so by the time you end up actually doing anything a few seconds have already ticked by.
It’s like if they are testing to see how the community would react about the change.
I’m just rolling my eyes when I see their changes.
Lol
Everyone has their DPS CD off the GCD but god forbid they give use Ascendance back baseline and put it off the GCD.
It’s because they are totally revamping the shaman DPS CDs in the next build (since they are currently lackluster and designed for previous iterations of the class, at least for enhance) and they will be brand new and amazing and off the GCD!
I can dream right?
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I agree that some things should be off the gcd, but I don’t necessarily agree with shamanism.
As a melee with bloodlust our auto attacks gain the most immediate benefit of bloodlust, so it’s not necessarily a wasted gcd if we are up on the target.
That being said to bring things in line with other dps ( if they don’t utilize the gcd for things like Avatar, Adenaline rush, avenging wrwth, etc., Then I agree.
I am uncertain as to what is exactly off the gcd for dps cooldowns.
So pallies can pop two major 20 second CDs - Avenging Wrath and Holy Avenger - together without incurring a GCD and become gods with no warning to their opponents, but shaman should be happy because our 10 second haste buff still buffs our auto attacks if we happen to be in melee range (as opposed to say trying to combo it with ascendance while kiting/being kited)?
Strongly disagree.
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I’m not saying I agree with blizzard but certain spells like feral spirits and totems have immediate effects. Like removal of fear on tremor and I believe they are already half gcd? Feral spirits gets immediate stack of msw. Shamanism can buff your ally in PvP and buffs our autos as bubblies mentioned. Ascendance should be off the gcd I want to use elemental blast or another buff ability in tandem with ascendance. That being said I believe it resets the cooldown of stormstrike so we get immediate access to windstrike (please correct me if I’m wrong). So I can see blizzards reasoning but I disagree and prefer shamanism and ascendance to be off the gcd as they feel like I should be using them with other cool downs/buffs to really maximize my moment of power!
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Totems are 1 sec instead of 1.5. I don’t think totems should be off GCD, although .75 or .5 instead of 1 sec GCD would be nice.
I think it needs to be compared to all dps classes. Bloodlust in general is a party cooldown, where holy avenger and avenging wrath or not
Shamanism making it single target use is definitely an argument for it to be off the gcd, but I wonder if blizzard takes other aspects of the kit into account, namely how much more of a ranged toolkit we have and an ability to kite. Things enh shaman have that ret paladins don’t
- short cd ranged snare
- range aoe snare
- ranged aoe stun
- offensive dispel
- a travel form
- a sprint
- aoe fear/sleep/charm removal
- spell absorb
And more. It’s a different kit then paladins and I wonder, since largely outside cds ret dmg is abysmal, if they consider these things when balancing.
It’s be nice to have it off gcd, but I don’t find it as underwhelming as say Ascendance which changes your gameplay abilities but locks you from them for the gcd (rather than just a flat haste buff)
I think baseline, bloodlust being raid wide is what causes it to require a gcd compared to more single target dps cooldowns.
Edit - avenging wrath and holy avenger still require melee uptime…bloodlust and ascendance would be incredibly more powerful if used together due to the 30 yard range on your melee attacks. This could be another contributing factor as to why they are kept on the gcd. Ret needs uptime or the combo of cooldowns is wasted. Ascendance isn’t punished when out of melee range.
Bloodlust is off the GCD. It’s only shamanism that’s on the GCD.
Dunno if it was an oversight or intended. They were both on GCD but they reverted bloodlust to put it back off the GCD back in 8.1 or something and left shamanism on the GCD.
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Lol, then ignore what I said entirely lust on gcd. That’s my bad.
This would be something nice for a blue to weigh in on. Have you tried tweeting to the devs or posting in beta forum? Might get a response on why it adds a gcd that way.
I still stand by having lust and ascendance both off gcds would be incredibly strong due to being able to sit at range and flail your arms in the air as things die across the room (the lack of needing melee range as a melee dps).
Everyone, it’s fine. They designed Ascendance so that Resto gets an on-use effect, which is their intended design goal. Since Resto is accommodate, the Shaman class is good to go.
It’s honestly been a while since I’ve gotten as angry as quickly as I did reading that blue post. I don’t think there’s some grand Blizzspiracy against DPS Shamans, but it’s so incredibly annoying to be that ignored. Feral Spirit and Asc for Enh are already both incredibly lackluster DPS gains, with Asc only shining as long-ranged armor piercing in a go window in Arenas.
I really think Feral Spirit should be off the GCD as well until it actually does damage. 1.5k over 15 seconds on Beta just isn’t 2-minute worthy. That’s like a 30 second CD.
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Looks like Trash just addressed it in the GCD beta thread:
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Would love to see dps shaman ascendance get anything similar to restos instant heal as a trade for being on global
would also love to see PvP enhance heroism revisited as well
it had no global in legion and it doesn’t feel good at all incurring a global now
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That’s arguably the best WoW character name I’ve ever seen.