Let’s face it; This will get nerfed. My hope is that they don’t nerf it into the ground.
My suggestion is that the talent gives an additional charge of Sigil of Flame and reduces the CD of all other sigils by 30 sec.
Fair?
Don’t think you’re running high enough keys to really give an opinion unless your profile isn’t updated. The reason I say this is that on large fort pulls, without these sigils we would fall over. We can’t take our cheat death either to get access to double sigils.
I actually don’t think we have enough mitigation if we aren’t using the sigils for interrupts.
I can see them changing the talent that reduces sigils 3s when affected by a sigil. But no I don’t think double sigils are making us OP. We were only competitive because of the extreme borrowed power from our season 2 tier.
??? they are absolutely making veng insanely strong. you dont silence sigils or misery sigils to survive since veng has alot of bulk and even more bulk with the new tier set. the value of painbringer alone in m+ with the new tier set will make insane.
that being said, yes double sigils should have never been released like this, its just way to much control for a single tank with 5 stops, 7 if you want to play sigil of chains (you shouldnt) i wouldnt be surprised if they added fear and silence drs because of this talent
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I’m sorry what keys are you doing on your Veng? At 4-5, yes double sigils might be OP.
Are you chiming in because of what your favorite streamers are doing? Got news for you. They would be doing it without double sigils. There’s tanks in all classes except prot pally in the top 12. All classes are clearing 20s. There’s a lot of Veng in top 100 but dks are right behind. It’s first week and people are calling for nerfs already. Again, the second mythic+ tank is a prot warrior.
Double sigils isn’t breaking anything. Maybe some tweaks are in order but it’s a great playstyle for Veng. Again want to fix it, remove the talent that reduces sigil CDs by 3s if you affect a target with a sigil. I’d rather a 2 point talent that increase range by 2 and 4 yards so I can use chains more effectively to moves mobs out of sanguine.
If you’re saying a tank is squishy in fort weeks based on week 1 fortified keys with no s3 gear or set bonuses then you are very mistaken on how good VDH is going to be. The cc/lockdown potential in keys is hands down stronger than any class that we’ve ever had.
And I don’t watch streams so no, I’m not picking up what my “favorite streamer” is putting down.
You can absolutely clear 20s without double sigil lmao what the.
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They already nerfed silence sigil down to 5 seconds so yeah they’re paying attention
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I’m not saying we can’t do it without double sigils in fact I’m saying the same thing. I don’t think our double sigils is OP at all. But silence is a form of mitigation against incoming magic. Especially on large fort pulls. Again, everyone is clearing 20s already without s3 full set tier. I think all tanks are up to 22-24s already.
Some tanks have done a 26 already
20 you can win with W, so you dont need double sigils to win those. but it’ll start being a factor more in the season. im doing 20’s on my vdh. also you dont need chains for sang or any sigils to survive a 20 (please dont say silence sigil for magic damage, magic damage is legit a meme for every tank), yes its a quality of life gtalent but you can easily just deal with chains by just moving before mobs start dying.
having 5 different controls, 7 with chains is just to much for a tank and along with everything else veng has it will be the dominant tank with prot paladin lagging behind for obvious reasons. i dont think the lego axe will be impactful enough to push bdk to the for front unless it buffs it to ridiculous levels so people can ignore the amount of misinfo bdk has at the top
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If you’re doing 20s “on your Veng” then you would know the most dangerous time for us is at the start of a big pull until we get our frailty and mitigation going. Silence sigil allows us to get that moving.
Also chains is awesome for sanguine. If you’re not using chains last week to move targets out of sanguine you’re terrible.
Again instead of nerfing double sigils, they should eliminate the CD reduction talent, increase silence to 1 min. That’s it. Lastly, what’s wrong with Veng being the top tank. Season 1 it was prot war and the prot pally by a LARGE margin. Then season 2 started off as prot pally and then became bears for the last half of season 2. Now it swings to Veng and I’m going to assume BDK because they can do everything a Veng can do but better.
This
You ask for externals if you have trouble starting pulls, or ya know, use meta? Or fel dev? If your using your silence sigil as “dr” for “magic damage” then there’s something seriously wrong with your play
Also chains is a crutch, we dealt with sang without it before. It’s easy just move before mobs start dying. It’s that easy. Yes chain is qol but that’s all it is, qol nothing impactful
Also bdk doesn’t control things as well as veng does. Again 2 fears, 2 silence, one aoe stun and again (really don’t do this) two chains. That’s a total of 7 stops. Bdk only has Slappy hands, sleet, and st grip. Not to mention vdh has a lot more bulk with 4pc. Pain bringer alone with 4pc makes vdh extremely tanky
The only way for bdk to overtake anything is if lego axe gives them gigA damage
As usual, you only spew what you read. Who is this Veng tank cleaning 20s of yours? We can talk about my game play all we want because I post on my main. Not some scrub no key leaver ret pally.
There’s many ways they can fix this. But the easiest is to make more casts require a hard interrupt and/or lower silence to be 3-5s.
I don’t see it changing either. Finally some class identity. Not a Hodge podge of talents throw together.
Your hatred of chains is so dumb 
and your reasoning is even dumber. You have got to be the only person in the entire game that thinks chains is bad 
But hey, we already know your absolutely terrible at the game so it makes sense that you’d have that view.
Probably wasting chains as an aoe interrupt on some low value spells. Mobs slowed and losing aggro but wasted a chain on an interrupt instead of clumping and moving targets.
If you ask me, I want more sigils! Finally some identity. Frailty is pretty good though. Developer is doing a great job with Veng.
ive already shown my veng in the ptr thread, if you dont remember because i ended up performing better than you. then thats your problem. idk why you feel the need to straight up io card people when your logs are public. its funn how every other veng player here is telling you the same thing “you dont need silence sigils for 20s” and you dont reply to them because your a coward. you know theyre better than you.
warcraftlogs com/reports/RdbVt8D4J7Xyr6gj#fight=55&type=summary in the mean time, lets see this key. 56k? hmm not a good start bro.
using fiery brand only 13 times the entire dungeon that lasted 29 minutes?? no wonder you think you need sigils to survive holy moly.
wasted up to 20% of your fury generated so your overcapping by a metric ton
immo aura 80 times? when you could have gone 130 times at least
spirit bombinb at 2 souls instead of the minimum 3 souls during demon form
fel dev 28 times out of 40+
decree and the hunt literally not pressed you apparently hate doign damage and surviving
and finally the peice of resistance, you only pressed meta 3 times. a 2 min cd. 3 times in a 29 min dungeon
funny thing is you only used sigil of chains 17 times sigil of silence 13 times and misery 8 times, now i know sigil of silence and misery need to be saved and what not. but these are legit improper usage of your stopping power. no wonder you think its “fine” because your completely underusing it.
using globals on throw glaive 100 times “great value” right there
no enchantments
so before you start throwing stones at glass houses, realize that warcraftlogs are a public tool that can be used to improve yourself. not just io card people you dont agree with. we’re done here. im not interested to hear your excuses or your reasoning why im bad while your pulling voti aoe numbers in season 3
your free to run chains if you want, its just not this gameplay saving thing people c ope it on being. dont confuse personal preference with actual good utility. especially when said utility costs your a fair bit of bulk and damage to get it. get good before you talk classic player
Uh huh, taking chains is a huuuuuge loss isnt it, i wonder why people take it. They must be all stupid unlike you.
Also:
“The rankings for this character have been hidden by the owner.” and no, you cant just say “i posted my dh somewhere on the forum trust me bro” what a joke, all you do is parrot the DH discord and come here and run your mouth with lies and misinformation despite being proven wrong time and time again.
youve never once proven anything i said wrong.
again people are allowed to take chains, its fine. if you like chains more power to you. its again a personal preference. a personal preference for chains doesnt mean it has no drawbacks taking.
Ofc I have. Its on the forums bro.
In all seriousness, yes, you spouted a lot of garbage S1 that was complete bs and just wrong