Our burst is nothing now because of SO MANY HARD NERFS. Now all we have is utility. Please don’t take this one last thing we have.
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At least you can interrupt in Toreghast lol… Holy has gotten everything that is righteous stripped from them.
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You cant have insane burst and healer tier heals. It’s either one or the other bud
LOL warrior talking about pvp balance? Dude your class is out of control broken. Highest damage in the game, 50% healing reduction, permanent 20% damage reduction, spammable self shield ??? Storm bolt , disarm, spell reflect, intervene, rally cry, banner…it’s actually comical how broken warrior is
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It already is one or the other.
WoG costs 3 holy power, Templars Verdict costs 3 holy power, if you use WoG you don’t get to use Templars Verdict.
You’re trading damage for a heal.
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Ignore him he doesn’t know anything. Ret needs healing if blizz is gonna refuse to give us anything else. If they want to nerf healing we either need better defensives or better mobility.
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Ret just needs a complete redesign, it’s either too good or p much dumpster tier after the complaints roll in. I’m just annoyed that they left destro untouched for an entire expac but gotta get on blasting ret asap. Seriously, just redesign the spec, it’s better that way.
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Dude gives us an interrupt and shield slam to proc awakening
You can global someone with wings up in 2 button presses. Just stop
You can global people from stealth without the use of any significant cooldowns in 2 button presses. You have no room to speak.
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you can global someone inside a stun while getting a guaranteed opener in stealth. just stop
id also like to know which 2 buttons pally can global someone with lol. if smart would have 3-5 hp ready for a spender b4 wings, biggest hit being templars verdict, and I know that won’t 1 shot anyone. maybe a seraphim press, final reckoning. but after that 1st TV I’m going to have to build up another 3 hp so thats another few globals then hit TV again. so easily 5 or more buttons in our 8 second burst window thats highly telegraphed and easy to avoid.
hhhmm if only we could just kill people in a stun lock while being invisible to set up lol
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Indeed. The spec is so built in on wings and divine shield and the burst is so telegraphed that players can react in advance and completely negate you. And Divine Shield is holding us from getting more defensive/mobility options to make up for having ‘‘the best defensive in the game’’ while it’s actually hurting the spec so much since it’s actually supra bad when 2 of the most played classes can remove it and you’re left with shield of vengeance as only defensive cd that explode instantly.
And being a legit wheelchair is really frustrating to play, on top of not being able to negate other people go like they do to you.
Use wings? Paralyzed, into disarm, rooted - the monk teleport away.
Against arms? Stormbolt, into disarm, your kill target escaped already.
Demo lock? Pet stun, Fear - refear the dispel, gateway / teleport away.
A rogue will see your wings and they’ll dance burst on you knowing they shut you down completely for 6sec into 3 cheap shot and they you’re the one at low health that needs to be playing defensively, wasting your wings.
And then they use all their cds and you can’t do anything because using hoj on the monk will result in instant dispel from the healer and you’re left with no CC to use for the next 30sec
Ret needs to stop only being good at damage, nerf the damage, starts by getting us better mobility, cc and defensives.
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I went from 28k hp to 0 in a matter of 2 seconds dude.
Rets are OP and need nerfs along side warrior and ww. If rogue copped it they should too
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pvp ret nerfs from 12/8/20
execution sentence initial dmg nerfed 31%
devine perpose dmg increase nerfed 35%
righteous verdict dmg increase nerfed 33%
healing hands healing nerfed 30%
final reckoning dmg increase nerfed 20%
ringing clarity procs reduced from 3 to 2
divine toll nerfed 25%
were these ret nerfs not enough for you? we got hit much harder than the rogue nerfs lol
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Need nore imo
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“Our burst is nothing now” Rofl, do you play pvp at all? You and arms are globaling people…
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Says the DH doing 20k damage in one GCD with Hunt, that requires no setup whatsoever.
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Yes I can do a 20k hunt, paladin is doing 20k word of glory, what is your point? I have 1 burst spell that is easily stopped by a defensive, cc, or rng not letting me crit. Even if I do crit it’s not always 20k. At my current ILVL I hit anywheres from 8-22k, lowest crit I’ve seen is 13k and highest is 22k. Then outside of that I have no way to really pressure the enemy.
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paladin is doing 20k word of glory
Prot maybe, Ret sure as hell ain’t, especially without cooldowns going.
at 20% my WoGs with Healing Hands will heal me to ~50% (a heal of roughly 8,000), and that’s OUTSIDE of PvP, in PvP Healing Hands is a 70% increase at most, as opposed to the 100% increase it is in PvE, so it will be less than that realistically. All Critical healing is also only a 50% increase in PvP as opposed to the 100% increase it is in PvE… So factoring that in, with a crit and Wings not being active, A WoG at 20% HP without cooldowns will cap out at around 12k, again that’s when critting.
With wings active you get a 20% increase to that, so we’re talking 14.5k under pretty ideal conditions while a 2 minute cooldown is active… And that’s when using the PvE version of Healing Hands, not the 30% reduced PvP version.
And since we have to sacrifice casts of the ability that provides most of our damage to do it, because they consume the same amount of the same resource to cast, I’m gonna say it’s fine.
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14k Hp is nothing to scoff at, I don’t even get healing since I have to take netherwalk just to have a chance to survive a ret, fire, affliction, arms, arcane, pretty much anything…