I feel that the LIch King's command to Tirion that "No one must know what has transpired here" seems to fall in deaf ears.
I feel that lore wise the fact that there's still a lich king seems to be public knowledge.
So generally does everyone know that Tirion or at least there's a new Lich King despite the command to Tirion that "nobody should know about it"
No only we do.
Well generally yes, if the scourge is still active, then they would know there is still a Lich King Present
10/29/2018 09:01 AMPosted by SenseimoonkWell generally yes, if the scourge is still active, then they would know there is still a Lich King Present
Do they? That is, how does the general populace know that the remaining Scourge isn't leaderless?
In reality, the only beings still able to divulge the truth are the heroes that were present when Arthas fell, and watched as Tirion placed the Lichking's crown on Bolvar's head...and the Death Knight's that have done the class hall quests in Legion.
Lore-wise, there are supposed to be only a handful heroes that do know all of this, since there is technically only one group to have defeated Arthas, and only one leader of the DK class hall...and they are supposed to be aware of the panic that could ensue if the information got out. That isn't to say it hasn't been revealed, accidentally or otherwise...but it would still likely be considered a folk-tale; a mere rumor, rather than publicly known fact.
well since theres a good amount if death knights and they apparently have friends im sure they've told the good news now over the years.
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Bolvar deserved some kind of memorial in Stormwind. I mean he was practically the King and the de facto leader of the Alliance for awhile, just seems like he got the "oh, he's dead, too bad" short shaft.
As far as lore goes, only a select few people know that Bolvar is the Lich King.
The whole bit about "There must always be a Lich King" was set up and executed in front of only a handful of people. The adventurers who killed the last one, and the few lore people there at the time.
It was to be handled with the utmost secrecy, specifically to prevent people from finding out. At least partially, I'm sure, to protect Bolvar's legacy, and largely to "put aside" that era of fear and doubt in the world.
As such, the public wouldn't know at all. That was the choice, and intention, of the people who stood there that day. To protect Bolvar from detractors, and to protect the public from such knowledge. Anyone who knows, at this point, is either someone who was there at the time, or has been told under the highest order of secrecy or necessity.
The Death Knights themselves are certainly aware, but as far as I know they're not exactly telling people he's back either.
The whole bit about "There must always be a Lich King" was set up and executed in front of only a handful of people. The adventurers who killed the last one, and the few lore people there at the time.
It was to be handled with the utmost secrecy, specifically to prevent people from finding out. At least partially, I'm sure, to protect Bolvar's legacy, and largely to "put aside" that era of fear and doubt in the world.
As such, the public wouldn't know at all. That was the choice, and intention, of the people who stood there that day. To protect Bolvar from detractors, and to protect the public from such knowledge. Anyone who knows, at this point, is either someone who was there at the time, or has been told under the highest order of secrecy or necessity.
The Death Knights themselves are certainly aware, but as far as I know they're not exactly telling people he's back either.
Been a long time since I saw the cinematic. Doesn't Tirion say something like "the world will know of your sacrifice"?
I am old so maybe my memory is failing.
I am old so maybe my memory is failing.
The Kirin Tor know as well, due to the Fire Mage artifact quest-chain sending the Mage into Icecrown and bumping into the LK there while looking for Felo'melorn.
I don't think it's public knowledge. The undead needed a mind to follow otherwise they would run rampant through the world so there needed to be a Lich king but so far there seem to be no new undead being raised (sylvanas notwithstanding)
Why hasn't Bolvar marched the Scourge into a nice, big bonfire? Or forced them to fight each other?
10/29/2018 09:42 AMPosted by PharsalusWhy hasn't Bolvar marched the Scourge into a nice, big bonfire? Or forced them to fight each other?
Because the crown is controlling him or corrupting him. It's obvious by now.
10/29/2018 09:42 AMPosted by PharsalusWhy hasn't Bolvar marched the Scourge into a nice, big bonfire? Or forced them to fight each other?
Probably because it is taking 100% of his energy keeping Ner'zhul in check. At some point Bolvar will lose out and we gotta do this again.
The faction leaders all know about it. And some of the class orders too like the Kirin Tor and Ebon Blade, as well as other notable people like Jaina and I'm sure Saurfang knows. The dragons definitely know about it too.
Basically, the world leadership is all aware of it as they should be. Because they can't be caught off guard by the appearance of a surprise new Lich King. Everyone else in the public though is kept in the dark. They think the Scourge is gone for good.
Basically, the world leadership is all aware of it as they should be. Because they can't be caught off guard by the appearance of a surprise new Lich King. Everyone else in the public though is kept in the dark. They think the Scourge is gone for good.
"Tell them only that the Lich King is dead. And that Bolvar Fordragon died with him"
They know Arthas died, and that the Scourge is as good as dead. They don't know Bolvar took his place.
The question here is how well-kept the secret is. Tirion and the player characters knew, that's a fact. But do other people know? The Knights of the Ebon Blade seem to know, given their Class Hall storyline...
They know Arthas died, and that the Scourge is as good as dead. They don't know Bolvar took his place.
The question here is how well-kept the secret is. Tirion and the player characters knew, that's a fact. But do other people know? The Knights of the Ebon Blade seem to know, given their Class Hall storyline...
Who?
10/29/2018 08:59 AMPosted by CaroldanversI feel that the LIch King's command to Tirion that "No one must know what has transpired here" seems to fall in deaf ears.
I feel that lore wise the fact that there's still a lich king seems to be public knowledge.
So generally does everyone know that Tirion or at least there's a new Lich King despite the command to Tirion that "nobody should know about it"
Bolvar wanted the world to "live free from the tyranny of fear" so he instructed Tirion to tell them only that "the Lich king is dead...and that Bolvar Fordragon.... died with him!" Bolvar didn't want people to know he had taken Arthas's place and that the Lich king still remained.
10/29/2018 09:42 AMPosted by PharsalusWhy hasn't Bolvar marched the Scourge into a nice, big bonfire? Or forced them to fight each other?
Bolvar is Bolvar as much as Arthas was Arthas when Arthas was the Lich King.
10/29/2018 09:51 AMPosted by Lemres"Tell them only that the Lich King is dead. And that Bolvar Fordragon died with him"
They know Arthas died, and that the Scourge is as good as dead. They don't know Bolvar took his place.
The question here is how well-kept the secret is. Tirion and the player characters knew, that's a fact. But do other people know? The Knights of the Ebon Blade seem to know, given their Class Hall storyline...
They do actually. In the Shattering book Jaina and Varian have a conversation about it, so they know the full story of Bolvar's fate. And in the fire mage artifact quest the Kirin Tor show they're aware of the Lich King's presence too.
We sort of tuned out that last thing he asked us to do. "Yeah sure, secret...right. Man I can't wait to tell people when I get home!"
10/29/2018 09:45 AMPosted by Xargaryen10/29/2018 09:42 AMPosted by PharsalusWhy hasn't Bolvar marched the Scourge into a nice, big bonfire? Or forced them to fight each other?
Probably because it is taking 100% of his energy keeping Ner'zhul in check. At some point Bolvar will lose out and we gotta do this again.
Hey, it worked for diablo 1 and 2.
I know! But I’ll take that secret to my grave!
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