The Maker’s (presumably the Titans) were bathing entire worlds in flames, so an overgrowth of Life and Chaos does make sense. The Titans would have been re-originating half the universe…
Sargeras Just basically went mad after seeing a Void controlled Old god try to corrupt aworld and finding out that eventually they’d corrupt one with a Titan world soul, creating a “Dark Titan” as powerful as a Void Lord capable of destroying the universe,…his solution /sarcasm of course being to form the Legion to destroy it himself before the Dark Titan could be corrupted and do it… Kil’jaeden is Sargeras’ second or was till both were killed and or defeated.
Fel itself has no proper Pantheon naturally…Demons and beings of Fel by nature do not naturally transpire to cooperate or operate in any unified capacity…they are manifestations of Fel as a chaotic force, most of the ones in the Legion were mind controlled or not originally Demonic beings turned Demon.
It seems more like the Titans are sort of… perfectionists. Their compulsion to order /everything/ means they cannot stand any sort of disorder. I am not sure all those worlds actually were corrupt in any meaningful way, they were just too messy for the Titans liking. Heck, they would re-originated Azeroth if they had gotten the chance to.
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Man the lore has gotten so frigging convoluted.
Can someone press a reset button?
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There’s always Morozond and the Chekov’s gun that is the Timeway breaking… that’s the only Tabula Rasa this game will likely ever see and it will be resolved in a single expansion probably.
Well, I thought the Titans were doing this in the sense of keeping what they believed to be order.
“Create a world” — “Destroy a world”
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Disorder didn’t care about keeping track, they just created and destroyed as they pleased.
However, using the Void and Sargeras as a “puppet” realized they could create even more disorder by influencing Sargeras to just kill everything.
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Death growing in “power” compared to that of Life was just part of the outcomes.
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I imagine chaos to be really pure chaos, they are pure arbitrariness, no rules, they destroy, create, actually do that out of no clear drive, the quintessence of chaos is the absence of any order, that would be the Pantheon of Chaos for me.
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This is why faction conflict stories are the best.
They are the most down to earth digestible stories wow delivers.
This shadowlands business has been nonsense since inception.
I think Sargeras wasn’t a puppet he just saw the truth of the universe in it’s flawed state, and became disheartened that he couldn’t fix what was broken about the universe.
I think the Titans were oppressive perfectionists who may have taken Order to a totalitarian extent in a quest for absolute perfection. Anything that didn’t meet that expectation likely ended up in the Maw.
The Maw seems less like Hell and more like a trash heap for failed bits of creation at this point.
I would guess that each Cosmological Force has beings akin to the power of a Titan of the Order Cosmology. But, whether that takes form of a “Pantheon” … that’s a bigger question. Like, Fel, we’ve never seen their Titan tier beings. They are theoretically there, but they were too powerful of manifestations of disorder to even be controlled by Sargaras. There is also an untold number of Void Lords. We have no idea their numbers, or how they organize themselves. Light and Life are very murky as of now.
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Titans in a lot of ways are sorta really big god-robots, and there are a few bugs in the design that got exploited. Sargeras blew a gasket because of the Dreadlords, who intentionally made him aware of the Void to cause him to basically glitch out and go Terminator on the mortal plane. That was an intentional strategic action taken to destroy the Titans and use Sargeras as a blunt instrument on the other cosmic forces. Deanthrius just had to sit back and watch the show.
Yeah, I just didn’t know if there was a “Named Big Bad of Disorder” at the tipppy top giving the order to Denathrius, to eventually free Zovaal.
Elune teamed up with Aman’Thul, so “Disorder Titan” teamed up with Zovaal.
Thanks, basically just what I was asking.
I didn’t know if it had been revealed if there was a similar hierarchy throughout the cosmic forces. We just haven’t met the “titans” of Light, Shadow, or Disorder yet.
I do not think so no. TBH the ‘pantheon’ of Chaos would not really have any structure or the ability to form any particularly long term plans. They would likely not even have solid forms, being chaotic shifting masses of fel energy instead.
Before Sargeras artificially imposed Order onto Chaos to create the Legion, the Demons just randomly would launch incursions on mortal worlds, attacking and destroying without any particular goal and then eventually leaving. They were more like a force of nature, than anything else.
Remember, the Disorder/Chaos thing is just a label the Titans put on that realm of the Cosmological. Considering how much life and order there is going on in the Shadowlands, it’s safe to assume Disorder is a functioning realm just like all the others.
I mean, the Void, is supposed to be… well empty. But there seems to be a lot of stuff in there.
I always liked the idea that the Fel “Titans” are like Astral Dreadnaughts. Massive independent beings swimming through the Twisting Nether. Intelligent, but very much chaotic forces of nature that just wander through anything in their path. Something you just want to get out of the way of.
I feel like people are a bit too eager to write the titans off as uncaring and genocidal just for the sake of imposing Order.
If that were the case, Sargeras would have destroyed the demons in Mardum when he figured out how to make their deaths permanent. Instead he kept using it as a prison, sparing their existence rather than eradicating them all as threats to the Order created by his peers.
Moreover the continued existence of troggs shows that they and their creations don’t just arbitrarily exterminate faulty life forms that don’t match their specifications.
The worlds burned by the pantheon were probably those that were corrupted or damaged beyond repair. Like worlds where demons had killed and/or corrupted every living thing such that there was nothing left intact worth saving so it wasn’t worth having Sargeras or Aggramar personally deal with them, or where situations of terminal imbalance had led to the consumption of every resource by a single form of life that was subsequently eating itself and the very planet to death, like the Evergrowth would have eventually done to Draenor had Aggramar not arrived when he did.
They aren’t even as obsessively driven as the discovered report in the Ember Ward makes them out to be. After all, the demons undoing their works willy-nilly didn’t lead them to freak out and throw everything into stopping the threat to their Order as suggested; they just assigned one (then later two) of their number to address the problem while the rest continued reordering worlds. It took the discovery of a plan to cause universal Armageddon to drive just Sargeras off the rails, and even then, when he brought news of the Old Gods and the Void Lords’ plan to the other titans they remained convinced that it wasn’t cause enough to abandon their mission or condemn the universe.
You say that, but in light of the dreadlords’ true allegiances and activities, it wouldn’t surprise me if demons popping up to rampage across the titans’ reordered worlds wasn’t so random. After all, the only time we’re ever told of a titan arriving to find demons already on a planet the pantheon hadn’t visited yet was Sargeras finding those nathrezim hanging around a bunch of Old Gods.
Almost like throwing demons at the pantheon’s works could have been the dreadlords’ first attempt at derailing the titans’ mission, and convincing the Void Lords to have a go at corrupting a world-soul was Plan B after the titans took that first obstacle in stride.
At this point I have to wonder just how many demons we’ve encountered really are naturally occurring, and how many might have been the results of the fel-imbibing nathrezim deliberately corrupting mortal worlds’ inhabitants into entire demonic races for the express purpose of unleashing them on the titans’ works.
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This is what i hope. We still never really saw the chaos force as all we saw was a corrupted army made by a corrupted order leader. Except for a few demon, most of them aren’t really chaos creature. I hope that the chaos pantheon isn’t a ordered group as the two we was until now, but just the title of the few stronger demon of the universe.
Some people claim here that the chaos force aren’t really strong since they are all from other force but this is kind of the other way. What we saw is only the tip of the iceberg and the further we would go in the nether, the more powerfull demon would be.
As for the ‘‘pantheon’’ power, i would actually imagine them being individual more powerful than every other pantheon to make for the fact that they aren’t organised like the other pantheon. I hope they just have not plan, no goal, no nothing. Just pure being of chaos that destroy everything and that we just must not summon.
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destroy and create, chaos isn´t only destruction.
But the chaos just want to build chaos and how do you build chaos? With destruction. In a few fantasy, destruction is how you ‘‘create’’ chaos.
Agree. I feel like this description fit more the light and the void who are the zealot one who just want to reform the universe their way.
Death and life just work as a circle in harmony and in perfect balance. They just want to do their job. Not more and not less.
Meanwhile, the order feel more like the police of the universe who have to watch over the universe and act against anyone who want to destroy that balance.
Disorder would be the opposite who just want to destroy everything and would actually be the enemy of them all.