Does the deep prot / anger management spec(s) make a come back for naxx, or is fury prot the tank spec used until TBC?
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What she said. Won’t come back.
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In raids where people have no world buffs it is still a thing, but you simply won’t be able to produce enough threat to hold aggro against a fully world buffed raid.
I feel like people asking this question don’t understand how wimpy the Prot tree is. All Deep Prot really gives you is Shield Bash … when Bloodthirst is fine? Fury/prot can put on stam gear and/or a shield and be just as durable as Deep Prot. The main play advantage for Deep Prot is actually Anger Management – an Arms talent!
Your real question is whether gearing for survival will come back, with stacking stam and def, and wearing a shield 100%. The answer is flat out no – from here tank gear has a metric ton of agility and dodge and even in Vanilla warriors geared for avoidance because of it. Plus as mentioned before, the flat threat modifiers of deep prot just can’t keep up with the dps, and the old meta of holding back looks pretty dang stupid when you can just muscle through a 60 second boss kill instead of a 5 minute one.
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Nope.
It’s easy to look back in history in criticize with the benefit of many years of hindsight. So it didn’t occur to them back then that you could break the encounters and trivialize them if you could coordinate the entire server online and stack all the world buffs at a scheduled time, every day of the week, while stacking all of the consumables. But if they would have figured that out, the buffs would have been nerfed or the encounters buffed or both, and then these strats we’re using right now wouldn’t be the meta because things would be tuned much differently.
Back then, if you broke something, Blizzard fixed it. You didn’t get to keep playing it in its broken state once you broke it. They were facing a moving target. We are facing one that has been standing still for 15 years.
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Deep prot doesn’t give you mitigation. No idea why people cling to it so much. I’ve seen non-warriors curse to the skies without understanding that you’re not really losing out on mitigation (aside from uptime on a 30min cooldown spell by a few seconds).
It all comes down to playstyle and how good your healers are. The better they are, the more you can extend your threat by dual wielding.
Deep prot is comparable threat to fury prot with a shield and is less dependent on world buffs if you wipe once and lose world buffs its usually better to be running a deep prot tank than a fury prot.
Also deep prot does take a decent bit less dmg than fury prot, they get the 5% parry and 10 def which is another 1.2% dodge+parry+miss. They also gear differently and so they get more threat out of a more mitigation based gear set. And if you take off your shield as fury while tanking you are gonna be taking A LOT more dmg, close to 30% more.
Yes if you are running in a world buffed group you need a fury tank or a bear tank to keep threat, but most people are not in those groups and with the slower kill times from your average guild you should have better results with a deep prot MT to smooth out dmg better.
Just because its not viable in the top 1% does not mean it is not viable, those shorter kill times means tank dmg is less relevant(also tanks have quite a bit more health in those runs to handle the bigger hits DW tanks get crit, deep prot do not) when you have longer kill times tanks taking less dmg is beneficial because it means you are less likely to wipe.
Also to be fair, deep prot was only viable from 1.11 to TBC(7 months out of 26) so a relatively small part of vanillas lifespan, before 1.11 shield slam was a tps loss and so deep prot was basically useless.
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Are you actually running Anticipation? Horrible waste of a talent slot, not even the deep prots are running that.
This is wrong. You’re still missing flurry and deathwish so you’re missing out on a considerable amount of TPS.
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And Enrage, which is huge. I have no idea why people are so obsessed with prot-spec. You still use a shield as fury/prot and even as raw DPS warrior.
You just throw it on when things get spicy and when it’s comfy you bring out the dualwield. It’s all about being dynamic and knowing what your group is capable of.
Same with gear - the times of threat gear being leather is long gone. Today’s tanks wear tier 2.5 and pvp gear, which is literally the tankiest gear in the game at this point.
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Fury proc just better for trash and trash is really hard in classic wow . So that spec why still continiu to have value
Um enrage procs when you get crit, as a tank thats not usually a good thing and shouldn’t be happening all that often.
The prob with DW is it opens you up to being crit and if you do not run flask+elixer of Fort 1 crit without the extra armor from a shield can hit for most of your health, hell even with deep prot and t2 gear(which has more mitigation than pvp gear OR 2.5 gear) I was getting hit for 4-5k by unbalancing strikes on twin emps, thats with a shield.
tier 2.5 and pvp gear is better for threat but you will take more dmg in it than in t2. And if you are not in a try hard guild who is burning through hundreds of gold of consumes and world buffed every raid you will have smoother runs with deep prot over fury prot as your MT.
So yes if you are using world buffs/consumes a fury prot will do better threat than a deep prot but without those the threat is comparable while the deep prot will take less dmg and have access to intercepts and can switch to battle stance and mocking blow and can switch to zerker stance for berserker rage and back without losing all of there rage. deep prot adds utulity to a tank which is good for helping to prevent wipes which is important in a casual raid because the dps going a bit harder is not gonna make a break a kill but a tank death can.
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Maybe with thunderfury, don’t know.
Impale prot is better threat with a shield on without world buffs if rage isn’t an issue, which will be most guilds most of the time in Naxxramas progression. The super tryhards who will literally go get more world buffs when they wipe or expire (or don’t wipe ever) should be fury/prot.
Deep wounds/Impale/One-handed specialization isn’t any worse than flurry/death wish/enrage with a shield equipped unless your crit is ridiculously high. Naxxramas bosses hit hard enough rage is more or less infinite.
Frenzied Maexxna or Faerlina can land 8k crits on a tank with a shield on. Healing is extremely limited on Loatheb and he hits as hard as Ouro so you’ll want a shield there. On Four Horsemen you’ll only have one healer and no threat issues, Sapphiron’s base melee damage is over double Nefarian. Kel’Thuzad’s guardians of icecrown can do 8k spikes (6k blood tap, 2k melee) on a tank with a shield on.
There’s plenty of room for protection warriors in Naxxramas.
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There’s very little upside and a whole lot of downside to dual wielding on Twin Emps. You get a 2000 boost to threat for being the closest body after the teleport, you have a full rage bar to spend after the teleport if you’re doing it right, and the boss can actually kill you with the Unbalancing Strike combo. The mechanics of Unbalancing Strike make it very appealing to wear 400+ defense, too.
This. The bottom half of protection talents don’t offer much substance. There are a few specs that are powered by their gear far more than their talents.
Maybe alliance side threat isnt a big deal when not wbuffed cause salv is strong.
But horde side even without wbuffs i can still take threat off tanks when my cds are up, i can reach 40%+ crit without wbuffs at this point. Fury prot is necesarry in my eyes so i can play the game. Saying just hold back or watch a threat meter is fine and all, but whats the point in me raiding and getting gear if i then have to stop attacking the boss cause the tank cant keep up?
Also wanted to add, saying you take more damage as fury prot is just untrue, you still take the shield block talents and should use a shield. DW to get a nice threat lead, then swap to a shield when you are far ahead to mitigate damage. And just between flurry and deathwish you can put out more threat than a deep prot tank.
Somebody gets it.
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