Better PET PATHING, the number of times I hit soul-strike and my pet is … who knows where, just not in range/LoS, just infuriates me. Same with watching my tyrant standing behind a pillar unable to hit my target.
Better TARGET SWITCHING, imps/tyrant (and dogs) all stick to the target they’re on, rather than switch me & my main pet. Then they seem to take a while to re-acquire a new target which is wasted dps. Dogs, sure, fine leave them on the target they’re chewing on, but ranged pets should switch instantly.
Better PET DIVERSITY, I run with SoulStrike + DemonicStrength, but sometimes I really need a hard interrupt, not just a stun. Which only the felhunter pet can offer. I’d really like for those talents to remain functional regardless of what pet I’m using.
And I know it doesn’t fit the class fantasy anymore, now that DH’s stole it, but I really really miss [Demonic Leap] + [Glyph of the Falling Meteor]. Was so much fun.
I can’t give you any insight into the minds of the developers as their logic, reasoning and decisions utterly mystify me 98% of the time nor am I suggesting other classes/specs aren’t op or undertuned. All I’m saying is that while I agree that it’s silly to have affliction be basically useless at anything but raids, at least the spec has been and still is a top 5 producer since Nighthold.
Low survivability when Method is stacking 9 of them for Uu’nat BECAUSE of their survivability with inevitable demise and demonic circles? If you’re talking pvp I can agree.
I was referring to PvP when talking about survivability.
In pve it’s not really an issue as you have healers and can avoid mechanics. Plus, like you said, ID is a great self healing tool.
In PvP however, any good team will kick ID drain life (if you even survive long enough to stack it) So you’re left with resolve, and port if you take it. Resolve will save you from 1 go, but chances are, next go, you’re dead
LOL no it doesn’t. Class mechanics and “how to play your class” don’t change when you step into rated. 1 button is still for agony, 1 is still for corruption, etc. and your damage per attack/spell is the same to a player of x class in a casual bg that it is in a rated or arena. “You don’t do rated anymore so you can’t understand core concepts of pvp” is an absolute fallacy of an argument I see repeatedly on these forums and it’s just as silly now as it’s always been. You seem to be under this gross misconception that I’m arguing affliction warlocks are perfectly fine in pvp. They aren’t. I’ve not suggested they are. My entire point for posting in this thread has been to say that, yes, the spec has issues but it’s still a top 5 in raids on almost every fight since NH and that it’s hard to feel sorry for all the “zomg aff sucks” people when I’m constantly looking up at them on the meters.
You’re upset that someone disagreed with you and you want to cling to your opinion which is fine but seriously, just stop with this nonsense.
No aff locks run ID in pvp anyway. We lost so much in PvP from legion to BfA in terms of survivability and all our damage was transfered from dots to darkglare. I don’t know how many times I’ve stacked up 3-5 UAs just to get it dispelled and the healer takes basically no damage from it. Not only that but we are forced to play grim of sac and don’t get to have a pet. If we had damage transferred to dots from grim of sac/darkglare we would still play bad but be viable like legion.
and if i hear one more “im an AFFLICTION warlock” and a refusal to play the other specs, im gonna freak out. hi five ill see you in therapy
barring RP specifics, you are a warlock. you have 3 specs. each has a niche. learn it. if you dont want to. reroll and stop complaining.
aff is poorly designed, it has weaknesses and strengths like any other class, but we perform insanely well in blizzards premier content, dont expect changes of substance till 9.0.
im not an apologist, far from it. i literally say it is poorly designed in my comment and multiple other comments that the spec design is atrocious. but my question is why do you want to play aff and only aff, if you say yourself you dont enjoy it? do you not enjoy Demo or destro at all? or do you refuse to play them out of principle? aff is boring as hell, and shoddy at best in M+ barring some unseen meme build, but you are able to complete a weekly 10 on it without much issue
If you’re a warlock and you raid the developers pretty much implore you to play Affliction. Nearly every boss mechanic is biased against hard casters. Every boss has additional targets. Unless it’s a two target cleave fight, in which case you can play Destro. This game has a very serious bias against ranged dps, which is why guilds are always recruiting ranged specifically. This isn’t a coincidence, why play ranged when you can play a melee class or spec and do everything?
You claim Affliction is boring (and it is), but Destro isn’t much better. Demo is more fun but that’s not saying much. It still has issues, and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve hit demonic strength only for my felguard to not do it because he’s off doing something dumb.
As for keys, both Affliction and Destro are in the bottom tier for mythic plus. The absolute, rock bottom. For a pure dps class, this is unacceptable. Demo is low-mid tier, and it’s only saving grace is Bilescourge Bombers. The ramp up for everything else is punishing, especially on higher keys where you aren’t given much time between mechanics to cast on bosses (Council o’ Captains, Council of Tribes, Cragmaw to name a few).
I personally like pushing keys, in fact the game rewards you for doing so by giving you increased TR for the higher of a key you complete. They want us to do mythic+, which is why we have the TR vendor. But I’ll never get into a pug, even if I play Demo, for a higher key unless it’s my guild’s. Most MDI teams didn’t even have a single ranged dps.
I don’t “only” want to play Affliction, but I’m not real happy with the other warlock specs either. If you only want to raid, then a warlock is a very fine choice for a class. You’ll always get invited for cookies and summons. The damage is nice (even if you have to work harder than everyone else to maintain it) But if you want to do other areas of content (PVP, keys, or even play with warmode on) you are much better off playing almost anything else.
that was really well explained and thought it, i appreciate you takin the time for that. my only point of contention being that guilds are recruiting ranged so heavily because ranged DPS are normally much more desirable than melee on nearly any fight. M+ in its current state is currently super melee friendly, however i would say raids prefer ranged significantly, at least the current ones available. Besides that you raise some great points, good food for thought
Only good thing about Afflic is Inevitable Demise (If you’re lucky enough to acquire the trait through RNG) and how you can put someone in a Fear, cast all your UAs before fear breaks and watch the damage kick in.
Make Seed of Corruption insta-cast or have Sow The Seeds make it instant. OR make Corruption have a chance to spread to an additional target. Thoughts?
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