Basically title. Everybody’s talking about how good Arms is, but it seems so dependent on that 50% Condemn damage.
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Short answer, yes.
Long answer, not necrolord is good.
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Spear is also nice. You can use it for mega burst comboing with your other cooldowns, and/or you can use it strategically to generate rage on dead cooldowns.
The potion is also really good. Much better than Vent’s teleport which basically only serves to skip traps in Torghast.
That said… Condemn fits the rotation so damn well with the appropriate talents.
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Execute already does 30-35% of damage or so before speccing into condemn.
Warrior damage regardless of covenant is underwhelming in raid.
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I’m Necrolord, sadge.
I do fine as a player in mythic+, but I can do even better, probably easier being with other covenants.
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Stay strong Necro brother, maybe our day will come.
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There are literally dozens of us!
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As I explained elsewhere, Condemn doesn’t matter if the target is moving. Allowing it to be maximized a lot easier than anything else. That said, The difference between Venthyr to Night Fae and Kyrian is about 3% ish. Depending on the main content you prefer will be more of a deciding fact than through-put.
PvP wise, Kyrian and Night Fae both vastly out perform Venthyr. Especially Kyrian with it’s tether forcing them to eat whatever nasty burst you line up. Not saying Venthyr can’t hold their own, just the other abilities are not all that pvp-centric. Door of shadows can be good, it can be interrupted. Where as Kyrian potion and Night Fae speed/blink, are a lot better.
Kyrian warrior isn’t too far behind Venthyr in raids.
Night Fae is amazing for M+, much better than Ven.
I recently switched to Venthyr from Kyrian. Unless you only tank, or plan to make Mythic+ your focus, it’s not worth picking anything but Venthyr. Condemn makes such a reliable difference to your single target that it’s baffling. Honestly, I wish I switched sooner.
The biggest problem with skipping Venthyr is that Condemn is also usable from 100-80%, and coupled with Massacre, means you can use Condemn for 55% of the boss’s HP. I went from a peak Execute crit of ~10.4k to peak Condemn crits of 15k+, and I hate myself for not switching sooner and falling into the trap that Kyrian was actually worth it. Raiding is my focus, so Kyrian ended up being such a trap.
To top it off, Spear of Bastion is hella awkward as Arms DPS, due to alignment issues and overcapping rage if you use it in your burst window. If you take Skullsplitter, you’re just pushing it further back in your rotation. Like I said, if M+, Tanking, or PvP is your focus (Night Fae is also good) it’s worth it. If not, go Venthyr.
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I switched from Venthyr to Kyrian around week 2. The utility of the Spear in pve and pvp is huge. When I tank the spear is a god send to helping keeping all the leaping mobs stacked, sizable aoe damage, and the best part is it help with our rage generation a lot. Damage wise when i run Arms im still out damaging every Condemn warrior ive been with in raids. Im only 7/10N so im sure at higher levels of play it may change. Numbers wise Condemn is likely stronger but if it is its not by much and I havent seen it.
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This is very weird, as the damage of each individual Condemn is lower than that of a regular Execute.
Yes it does ignore armor for being shadow damage, but still it doesn’t end up doing more damage in each individual use despite that. The bonus overall dps comes from higher number of uses. You were probably buffed by something when you hit those higher crits.
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No. It does not.
Kyrian is good for raid.
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It’s an instant rage generator, how would that ever be useless?
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You quadrupled the length of the short answer, bit wordy don’t you think?
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That is a stats issue, not a covenant one. I’ve regularly hit for 15-17k Executes as Night Fae. This is due to the mastery buff the Soulbind gives.
I really wish people would stop with all the dis-information. The Covenants are very close in dps, when you consider it just ST. As soon as you have 3 or more targets, Night Fae and Kyrian jump ahead.
They have different play styles, that’s the only huge difference. One is boring AF, and the others aren’t.
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Maybe, but I don’t get that Mastery buff as Venthyr, and it wouldn’t account for such a gulf. Especially considering I only got my first real gear upgrade in about 2 weeks last night.
I actually checked what few logs I have that weren’t corrupted. 10.6k on most pulls the day before I switched. I hit one for 13k on Council of Blood, but it was likely a combo of my trinket rolling a damage stat for me (rare) and the Kyrian orbs during all cooldowns with Deep Wounds.
Well, I don’t need to rely on such cripplingly overstacked RNG to break numbers like that as Venthyr. I stand by Kyrian being a trap covenant if you want to DPS.
Do think venthyr has an edge in single target with the 2 execute thresholds at 100% and 35% onwards though, would like to switch to Night Fae but venthyr condemn just feels too good atm to warrant a switch
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Venthyr explicitly has an advantage in single target. Just not a huge one. In AOE, it’s outperformed by both kyrian and night fae.
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By around 3%. So no where as massive as everyone thinks it is.
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