I see so much min/max talk about the best this or that.
What happened to just having fun over being so serious about a game mode that was just about letting players go crazy with a variety of different abilities.
Was this really necessary?
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Huh? What are we talking about?
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Join an AOTC guild. Nobody cares about min maxing.
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For some people, trying to min max is fun.
That said, I see loads of players who aren’t into that who play the game without focusing on optimization, both in-game and on forums.
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I only play because I find it fun and relaxing as an open world only player. No min/max nonsense or required attendance for group activities. When it stops being fun, it is time to quit.
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Yes. I play the game for fun.
“Fun” is different for everyone. Some people think minmaxxing is fun, and their fun isn’t hurting mine.
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I just made a rogue like a couple weeks ago just to fek around with sub because I heard it’s the hardest spec to play right now and I wanted to see if I could be any good at it. And I really love sub. I have always done that with this game, I will make a character and just do whatever I want on them and I don’t care about pushing raids or achieves. I have friends who are like “bro why arent u getting this achieve or that” and Im like meh I just play to have fun. If I happen to feel like getting an achieve I will but there is too much to do in this game and if I tried to get EVERYTHING done all the time, I’d burn myself out so quick lmao so I’ve learned this is my way to play.
Don’t worry there are people who are just here to have fun and not min-max. We exist 
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It’s not about “letting” players go crazy with abilities. It’s about encouraging and incentivizing this through game design. That’s how Blizzard wants players to play. They are rewarded handsomely for min maxing. If they choose not to, they will find less progress, and the game will feel less meaningfuling to play.
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Is it though?
I think many people engage in min/maxing, not because they find it fun, but because they think it’s necessary to play the game.
Also, I keep seeing streams and videos about how nasty players are to each other about not having the right min/max.
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Did you ever consider that min/maxing might be fun for the player doing it?
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That was supposed to be what the new talent trees were about but they’re still a work in progress it seems. Also Panda Remix is going to be a blast and that’s coming up soon.
Torghast also was essentially this and you could go as far with it as you wanted. So this does exist in WoW and with Delves it kind of lets you go a little wild with your companions capabilities as well.
So it still exists you just have to stop thinking the way all the players play that only look at parse logs all day.
I’ve been playing the game for 20 years and I’ve never played that way yet seem to be able to engage with the game just fine.
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Streamers exaggerate everything for clicks.is this actually a problem you experience yourself on a frequent basis?
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I still play WoW because I think it’s fun even though I theorycraft and try to min/max my character to a degree. Some people enjoy that kind of thing. I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive.
If people want to play more casually and not worry about simming or following a meta, that is totally fine and no one is stopping them.
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I have fun pushing keys, you can call me a min/maxer if you want.
With pugs… absolute.
Even some guildies are bewildered when I suggest that their min/max paradigm isn’t necessary.
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What if I find min-maxing fun?
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Why is not min/maxing “casual” to you?
Maybe for the reason I think min/maxing is being “obsessive” about something that doesn’t really matter as much as people want to make it out to be?
Some people feel like they gotta make their character the best it can be.
Some are content doing lfr as a caster with a strength weapon.
