Does anyone knows Why this class has been Nerf so Bad?

Classes Hunter
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Had try to compete in all 3 aspects of the class, depside all my macros, still cant’ compete. The class as turn into a ‘Buff’ for other classes, some sort of assistance to down or help eliminate something.
In Pve 6 out of 100 had made the list, and in PvP there are nowhere in sight. Look at various leaderboards and you’ll see. Can anyone explain why the hate…

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Blizzard doesn’t hate Hunters…
Just you :purple_heart:

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do not try to deviate the subject in favor of Blizzard if you cannot answer the question. If you so good as a hunter PvE/Pvp plz elaborate!
but your profile says ‘private’ which puts a ?mark on your skills… cant even see what gear lv or set bonus you’re using… regardless do not advocate in favor of Blizzard… guarantee you they do not need your help at all…

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Right over your head hey?
Ok, I’ll elaborate, and might even explain the joke (ew)…

While the class as a whole (all specs) may absolutely under perform in certain aspects. I can 100% agree that it needs work on it’s design for all 3 specs.

Does this mean that it isn’t viable?
Hell’s no.

Have you even thought that your lack of performance is on you, and you alone? Do not compare yourself with the range of high content results. You are not in that category.

Are you top 100 raider and competing +26 M+ keys?
Those results have no bearing on your current level of performance.

Does this mean there’s a conspiracy that the dev team hates all those stinky hunters that claim all the loots?

No!

What macros are you using?

Clarify…

Which list?
And is this list relevant to you?

Again, are those leaderboards relevant to the content you are running?

Again, look at your own performance.
Look at logs, and use the compare tool to figure out where you may be going wrong.

This thread is all about you. You’re asking why hunters can’t perform in a low to mid range progression, yet you’re looking at results from max level content.

I certainly have issue with how Blizz has managed class design in BFA, but your question, and how you are addressing it, is signalling that the issue is all you.

Here is your comparison with another hunter in your group.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/mWCpfADaYTnKRwVL/mWCpfADaYTnKRwVL#fight=13,13&source=11,24&type=damage-done

Best to compare in Opulence, and you ended up dying in the earlier fights.

In fact, Natayoh is performing comparatively well through the other fights, and running the same spec as you… Yet claiming the issue is in the class.

As for the joke…

“Some religious deity” loves everyone…
Except you, he thinks you’re a “some hilarious explicitive”.

TL:DR
How is your class underperforming when a player in your logged raid performed themselves?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/mWCpfADaYTnKRwVL/mWCpfADaYTnKRwVL#fight=13,13&source=11,24&type=damage-done

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It really isn’t that bad. We aren’t among the best of the best but all 3 of our specs are very capable (besides MM in arenas, but what can you do). I will agree that the class got worse after Legion but in terms of viability we are fine.

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Ok so loooking through your logs your parsing grey on most fights but it seems as if its because you are dying. So the first thing to do would be to recognize that dead means 0 dps. Take that extra second to pop turtle, lock rock, your spirit beast heal or Exhilaration. We have a ton of ways to stay alive so try to use them.
I normally start with exhilaration first then turtle then if exhilaration isn’t back up use my lock rock.

I see slight gaps in barbed shot usage. If you have the azerite trait that adds a sec to frenzy then thats fine if not you might want to refresh just a bit sooner as you would be losing frenzy stacks.

On the champions fight you guys used hero at an odd spot (15 sec in) this is just enough time were most of the buffs from people that popped them all on pull are wearing off. Either have the party hero sooner or hold your personals till then. This was a huge lose for your personal dps as you only had about half of primal up and just a couple of second of bestial wrath left.

Unfortunately you logged out in your MM gear. So I can’t help with that part.

Anyway any questions about BM and I’ll try to help out.

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Malaguena the poster will not get the joke. You wasting your time with a QQing hunter that don’t even have the basic enchant to ring and weapon.

The best thing to do with these kind of hunter is just :point_right: and :laughing: .

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Pet basic attack(Bite) needs to be increase form 5k - 10k every 3sec. Bestial Wrap should be up from 25% - 50%. Kill Command shouldn’t consume any focus, Chimaera Shot should/needs to be an instant cast. Murder of Crows should be down form 1min every 30sec, and barber shot need to be added a stun that will freeze the target in place for 3sec.
Oh! almost forgot; Traps need to be directly cast at target within a 50meter…and Ice Trap should freeze the target for the remaining without damage breaking the trap…
With all these small changes, should put us back into competitive range

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:point_right: and :rofl:

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Yup, I’m leaving this one.
Just… Wow :poop:

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Ok so looking at your BM gear you don’t have the azerite trait that increases frenzy to 9 sec. This is probably were you are losing most of your damage then. As you are never stacking frenzy to three. Just use barbed shot 1 sec earlier then you have been and you should see a big increase in dps (increases attack speed of your pet by 60%.)

Here is a WA you can use for tracking frenzy: https://wago.io/VJJKTGtlm

We already have really high burst. On pulls were prepot pop primal and BW I’m already hitting 30k+ spikes usually putting me at number one even against people who have even ilvl and higher parses then I do.

Umm it already is.

It fills the spot of highest damage for energy cost action usage. Decreasing its CD would necessitate that changing, and if you use it on adds you get it back when they die.

There is no class in the game that can cc 3/8 ths of the time. And if you need a stun we have intimidate. (not to mention concussive shot, tar pit, frost trap, and depending on the pet used a myriad of others that are great for pvp)

Its our number one ability outside of pet attacks and cleave. Why shouldn’t it cost focus?

Traps do take a bit of getting used to but try practicing running and dropping a trap in place while you’re not under pressure. Some place like Ogrimmar and drop them at peoples feet while running past. It gets easier with time.

And you shouldn’t normally be targeting who your trapping. If your finding that auto attack is breaking damage you can try a stop cast macro. Not sure this one works although it looks ok. Its meant for MM though as it stops abilities as well so you could probably remove lines 3 and 4 as BM and should still work.

#showtooltip freezing trap
/stopattack
/stopcasting
/stopcasting
/cast freezing trap

And frost trap is meant either as a hard cc in dungeons or when your out numbered (and hope they already used their trinket) or for a quick reprieve to get distance or to mess up their major damage cd’s. Hell I guess it really does have a lot of uses.

Really BM is fine. It does great damage in normals, ok damage in Heroics and starts to fall behind in Mythic. The simple fact is we just scale poorly. We will probably see yet another buff in the first pass of the next raid cycle (though it won’t be enough for mythic raiders because we always look better then we are early in the cycle) We also bring a huge amount of utility in mythic+ and with triple multi shot traits we can do 130k+ on huge pulls like reaping.

Your proposed buffs though would rocket us way past first.

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Macros don’t make you into a good player. Seriously, it’s like missing a shot and blaming the gun instead of your own aim.

There is nothing to argue if you just play badly. You also won’t get better if you can’t recognize that you need to get better. There’s plenty of guides you can read to learn how to get better.

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You’re right about everything else, but BM has really awful burst. BM is more of a sustained dps spec. As MM I will pull more like 60k for the first 20 seconds. Shamans, warlocks, paladins, demon hunters, priests, and probably others should be able to pull more dps during their cd’s than BM does

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Applying sap to a target should NOT be broken by damage. It should last the entire duration as I bleed you to death.

Blind should also not break in damage.

Also crippling poison should slow you down to 90%.

Cheap shot and kidney should be at LEAST 12 sec stun.

With these small changes, rogues can be competitive again.

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Not sure why but I feel the need to shower after reading this post. My skin is crawling!

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you right! I have a lot to learn, just recently download addon ‘WeakAuras’, though such thing doesn’t make much difference but it does…
thanks for the help/recommendations

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Yeah its one of the few things I was iffy on putting down. I know our mage has high burst but has to build up resources, perhaps because we start at full resources and expend them instead it creates the illusion of high burst on pull as we dump everything at once.

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BM isn’t bad, just make sure you are using your cooldowns at the right time to maximize your dps. Also having the right traits, stats and trinkets matter a lot also. I am a casual player so I am not that good at BM, but I think that the damage I do is ok here are my logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/hellscream/ris#zone=21

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A competitive Rogue? Gift the murderer with the blessings of AMOC, then follow the birds… rccmd. group, 3+ players… lol.
Seriously, the OP seems sincere, and sounds to me like they want to know WHY they aren’t seeing the dps/performance that the class can attain at the high end of the scale. Also sounds like English is an alternate language, easy to miss subtle points and sarcastic statements. Does anyone knows Why has this class been Nerf so Bad? Idano… whoops, I don’t know. Is it badly nerfed? or POORLY nerfed? Both, I think. The ‘Whys’ of it, I don’t know.

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