Why people dislike playing VS elemental shaman:
- Elemental blast build: stack like 7 different modifiers/procs then NS elemental blast for 200k
- Alternatively, in the lava burst build, can get really lucky with a bunch of procs in a row and do over affl lock levels of dmg on 3 targets
Why people dislike playing AS an elemental shaman:
- Blizzard decided to remove pet wall for some reason, 0 defensive capability. Can perfect pre-astral shift, still die instantly through burst from multiple classes.
- Double melee look at you, you die like 1 minute later guaranteed after your earth grasp and other long cd kiting tools are used up/fail to work.
- Permanent kill target of every single solo shuffle round unless there is another shaman in the game.
Who is actually winning here? I swear mindless people just have this NPC talking point about “MUH SHAMAN TREE SO KEWL SO GUD DESIGN” because they all watched the same youtube video of w/e dipsht content creator that doesnt even play shaman or play against shaman (probably pver). Shaman is probably the worst designed class in dragonflight. Both the dps specs are just cheesy 1 shot machines that also get 1 shot themselves. And resto is just a meme.
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I don’t mind playing ele/enhance tbh. But I hate fighting them because getting globaled by one meatball overloading 9 times is kinda… blah.
I’m having a blast playing ele shaman lava burst build in pvp. Agree it’s tough to survive but I like ancestral guidance during my burst followed by kiting tools and wall, it can be enough with good offensive pressure to come out on top, though it’s never easy and sometimes frustrating with the melee mongo train coming at you.
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You are having fun in the matches when you are the one mindlessly 1 shotting everybody with instant cast procs and ascendence procs. My guess is you probably wont be having fun when there is rogue and DH or any combination of double melee or even SP + melee with mind games perma focusing you.
People been keeping Ele alive for almost a decade now
You hate to see it
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this all sounds pretty emotional
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I mean I played ele all through shadowlands and pre patch too. The play style is largely the same. The same frustrations we had before with getting trained are still here. The damage profile is pretty much the same too unless you’re exploiting cheesy proc one shots which I don’t enjoy. Despite that it’s fun and challenging with a high skill cap to overcome some of those scenarios you highlighted.
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Ele does the most damage of all the specs in the game atm its pretty good design that they are weak defensively. The unfair design comes from the specs that can almost match our damage also just so happen to be tank specs in comparison to us defensive wise.
The ele blast build is the biggest one shot in the game atm never seen anything else hit for 400k ,and the pwave lava burst build legit never has to cast while doing more sustain damage than aff.
Ele is legit just ranged fury warrior so the second we are given good defense/healing we would turn into the most degen spec the game has ever seen.
Every class in the game feels bad if you have 2-3 of the current top classes pumping you so either deal with it as ele or reroll fotm and realize it still feels bad to get pumped on by fellow s tier specs.
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I agree with everything you said. If blizz buffs ele’s defense, then ele becomes the most degen spec in the game, I agree. BUT CONVERSLY, if blizz nerfs ele’s damage in pvp, then it becomes the most meme spec in the game. Which do you think blizzard is going to do? Especially with the 200k ele blasts and 90k lava burst overloads flying around, which do you think blizz is gonna do?
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i think im more tilted right now with Dragonflight ele, because ive had 2+ months of Wrath ele and i got accustomed to being a well designed well rounded powerhouse. Ele + X + healer = Good (in wrath)
wrath spoiled me. its never going back to that. i cant log onto wrath without seeing people spamming trade chat “LF ELE” never gonna see that in retail. Never gonna see a LFG group specifically looking for a shaman.
all that aside, i do not like the way elemental is designed in DF. feels fine in non-compettive gameplay, but i dont think theres a single aspect of competitve gameplay where ele will outshine locks/rogues/warriors/demon hunters.
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Ele is overtuned in wrath so that’s why you feel that way about it. Current DH’s feel the same about their class rn too
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ele is good in wrath. ele is balanced in wrath. thats the way it should always be.
Once melee start picking up higher %s of armor pen later in wrath, ele becomes alot more balanced.
Its not even an outlier now. For every ele theres just as many arms warrior and dks and ret/preg pallys.
Its only when you look at it with the biases that ele cant ever be on that top tier that it looks like ele is too much
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truuu af. Classes like warrior or dk or rogue being top tier is just so normalized and accepted cause they are like that so often. But whenever ele becomes top tier its like WTF OMG WOT??? ELE??? ELE INSANE??? OP??? And theres just a huge shock factor (pun intended) to everybody.
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100%
i’d definitely add mages and locks to that too. like so many seasons are just Lock / X / Healer and its like “yeah, im fine w/ that”
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It’s pretty brutal. We’ve been fishing for procs for a couple xpacs now but I feel like it’s the worst it’s ever been. Maybe I’d feel better about it if I wasn’t fleeing for my life 90% of the time or if I wasnt flopping through wall.
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I’m loving the playstyle of meatball Ele and fire build Enh but the nerfs have rendered fire Enh useless. Wind Enhance feels like absolute dogshhh by comparison even if the sustained dps is better. Doing sustained 5/10 dps doesn’t really mean much when other melee are doing 7/10 sustained with 15/10 burst.
If the Fury/DH/Spriest/Warlock overlords are brought down a notch I think this season will be a blast. If they aren’t brought down to mortal status then solo shuffle I’ll have to play an alt to get anywhere.
Edit: We need dispel protection as Ele though. Like SERIOUSLY need it.
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control of lava is an alright dispel protection.
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