Does Anybody feel kind of bad for Guldan?

I get where you’re coming from, Spathy but I stand by what I said.

It does take enormous internal strength to recognize and accept your limitations and turn them into something that can make you invaluable to your family.
Not everyone can do this so that’s what Gul’dans story taught me.
Now take that story, apply it to real life and insert any corrupt politician in for Gul’dan and it’s the same thing.

If you’re talking about a cinematic for harbingers when you say animatic, I don’t recall that. I played through WoD, recall the story and remember Gul’dans story through the game.
I don’t buy the books, either. I did once, tried to read it and never got far past the beginning so I go by what the game’s story is.

This is where he screwed up, imo. Good post, btw. Ty for that.

Thanks.

And yeah. You can watch the animatic on youtube. It’s still there, and I think it’s pretty well-made.

And I see where you’re coming from too. I think stories about your choices dictating who you are are interesting. And I like seeing characters be defined by their choices. But I think I like people given a fair playing field to make choices in said stories.

Like, say, I think Guldan getting the power of the elements and having the power to leave the people who abused him, and him having the choice to leave or destory them, and choosing to destroy them would be a more interesting story to me.

It’s all about who has power, and how power is used to me.

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I linked Gul’dan cinematic earlier in the thread if you want to watch it.

Gul’dan was kicked out of his clan and they did call him a cripple but Spathy is insisting that they only reason they did this is he was crippled, which makes zero sense.

They ignore the fact that the clan didn’t drown Gul’dan at birth.
They ignore the fact they didn’t drown him when he took his first step and seen he needed a cane.

Instead his clan wasted resources on him and attempted to train him to be their new shaman. Gul’dan instead did something that the clan did not like. The elements didn’t like it either since they rejected him.

The clan that Spathy insist value strength above all listens to their shaman, which is a frail old orc. He’s not strong. The meathead orc in that video can snap that old shaman in two when he stopped him from beating Gul’dan more but didn’t.

I just read Shred’s post and it reminded me of how it goes. I also think Gul’dans story is one where he was fated or destined to be a catalyst, which is why he would have made those choices.

He would have had to be pushed into it. Becoming such a pest to his tribe that finally they got sick of his crap and tossed him out into the cold but instead of that knocking sense into him, (per their pov) he just became even more determined.

Kind of like if a nuclear bomb became sentient and tried to find it’s place in the world.
No matter what, it’s not going to end well. Just a matter of time.

So that’s another take on his story. Destiny.

And now I know you’re trolling.

Basically I think they should have opened guldan’s harbinger video with him doing something bad to the tribe if they wanted to show this off. But as it’s presented, he just looks like a victim to me before he gets his demonic powers.

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I agree, I think he was a victim but not of his tribe’s treatment.
They were really patient with him. I think he was bullied by life itself.
As we all are.

Still, he could have chosen a different path but if he had, we wouldn’t have had his story so I just made a pointless comment. :sweat_smile:

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The thing about Gul’dan is he may have had a sympathetic start. He was clearly abused by his clan.

His response was to damn his race, his planet, and try to damn a second planet, and then eat the power a fel god.

And he did this willingly. He is like, way beyond deserving of sympathy. He was even shown what would become of him at the end of his dark road, and what does he do? He leans into it further.

There is no story of Gul’dan being a tragic hero. He was just a poor bastard that was dealt a bad hand in life and decided to deal a worse hand in return.

Yeah. I mean to me it’s more about how visual storytellers decide to frame scenarios.

You know how in reality tv they usually edit things to show off how things are more tense than they actually are?

The tribe needed to be framed a whole lot more sympathetically if the canon lore is “they were actually pretty good to him most of his life.”

Again-- I am in no way suggesting he is a tragic hero or a good guy in any way. I do not know where people are filling in that gap. He is tragic though.

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I never said his clan was good to him, I said that you’re absolutely wrong they kicked him out for being a cripple. If they were so against cripples, they would have drowned him at birth or when he was a toddler. Fed him to the wolves or smashed his head with a rock.

They wouldn’t have wasted 20+ years of food and protection on him :roll_eyes:

He was used, and in that final scene in the Nighwell raid, you can see that. I do feel sad for him a little, if only for that he finally came to a realization that he messed up by following the wrong people.

In fact, this Homer Simpson reaction would some it up

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Gul’dan isn’t people, he is an Orc. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

His nighthold encounter was pretty sweet.
It was the first time I pugged on normal and tried many times 'till I got it while Legion being the expansion that I started in.

The title of this thread asks if any of us feel bad about Gul’dans fate, and then proceeds to tell us how sucky his life was. Tragic hero may not be the correct word. Tragic, sure.

But still no sympathy. Dude successfully killed a planet and tried to a second one before he got cocky and killed by the demons he served.

Like, to the end of his life he was just a tool and it seemed like he had not real chance to be anything else (based on what we are shown and taught in the game). And that’s what feels bad.

I was definitely rooting when illidan disintegrated him though like everybody else.

*The burning Legion successfully killed a planet using the puppet Guldan.

This is…absolute rubbish.
Holy hell did Blizzard write this?!

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I don’t think they can really do much of that in a game. Maybe the books but again, I read so much that I don’t have time or patience for the books anymore so Idk about that.

What they did was pretty good though and on the surface, I can understand how Gul’dan can be a sympathetic character but he’s really not when you think more into it and read what his tribe had said about him. It takes time and reflection to come to that, though. Not things people tend to do in a game.

I really think we could have just had like… 10-20 seconds of somebody discovering Guldan doing something heinous which led to the stoning.

If he’s actually being stoned for something he did rather than who he was.

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How?
They literally have almost the same story in how they got power and became a villain.

Well, you’re not people either, because you’re a corpse, just saying.