Weird take here, but I dont mind borrowed power.
It makes it that much easier to ignore the end game.
When leveling my last 2 characters in BFA, I did Island expeditions because they have rewards that last. Toys, Pets, Mounts and Transmogs.
If an apoligist you mean someone who enjoys the game and doesn’t cry about about and complain . Then your right. I have fun playing this game. I like borrowed power. Its gives me somethign to work torwards other then Ilevel. Im n ot a mix/maxer. I loved the corruption system. I loved visions in 8.3, All those things no other MMO comes close to.
FFXIV… Same three things every single patch cycle every single year. You know what to expect every content patch.
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I actually do like infinite grinds. But I don’t think it’s that healthy for an MMO.
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What? FFXIV builds upon what they did to the classes the previous expansion. Shadowbringers is the only expansion i’ve seen so far to actually take anything away from anyone, and those were more of reworks than “gutting”. Every expansion they take the playstyle of each job, and then build upon it to alter the playstyle and freshen it up.
I would kill for wow to follow that example again. Classes today dont play anywhere near the way they did in two or three iterations ago.
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I’m truly sorry that the mechanics of the game that always have changed from expansion to expansion are the ruin of your WoW experience?
TLDR: no, if they didn’t change it every few years I wouldn’t have played it for more than a few. Probably just me in the me boat making waves though…
I get the sentiment behind what you’re saying here, and i agree. But i do think borrowed power isn’t the way to do it. It feels like crap knowing that getting interested or attached to any new system is basically folly as it’s going to be going away in ~two years.
It’s like we’re renting new classes without ever having any intetion of buying them.
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But I don’t need a constant string of new abilities every expansion, so long as my class feels complete. I’d be happy getting a new “tier” of an existing ability, to make it more powerful without the dreaded button bloat.
My issue with the current system is that expansion-specific power is being used to make our classes feel complete. These aren’t bonuses like tier sets used to be, they’re used to fill holes in our abilities that Blizzard deliberately created in order to make the borrowed power feel like a requirement. And it seems like every time those systems get stripped away, they take a little of our class with them so the next expansion specific system can feel even more vital to our classes.
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1000% this
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I’m not of the mindset that what it is, is the only way to approach it. Just it is what it is until it’s something else, ya feel me? Heh
Sure they could end the rented power, make it feel like Draenor again with Pandaria movement…start to combine elements of the past into new mechanics, pepper in some talent trees.
It still has to be something new each expansion even if it’s a reiteration of the old with new spin, bells and whistles. 
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They haven’t given up on their plans to force players to get cloaks and level them up yet. A 120 of mine just reached max this morning. Did 7 gear quests and 4 of them had a reward with high corruption.
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Yeppers.
I have legion legendaries sitting in my bank. BlizZard wants me to regrind that in systemlands again? No thanks.
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Thanks for the clarification there Mr. Obvious.
Depends on what you mean by destroyed, lots of people think that cata destroyed the game by removing a bunch of abilities and simplifying things.
Cata forced talent choices which removed a layer of player agency. Covenants do something very similar but I would argue far worse.
Just want to point out that just because I don’t like borrowed power, I don’t don’t hate blizzard. I don’t really consider this whining, just feedback on a system that I think negatively impacts the game. Conversely I don’t believe you’re shilling for blizzard if you like these systems, and find enjoyment playing with them.
We don’t have to hate on each other.
Agree with OP. I’m sick of it.
And I hate the “tIeR SeTs ArE BoRroWeD pOwEr lol noobs” argument too. The comparison is inapt as tier sets are a simple drop; not a prolonged grind in anything but RNG and not necessary for mid level play.
Every expansion now I look forward to various types of game play on various alts and eventually have to temper my expectations to focusing on gearing one character due to the fact that its never just about GEAR anymore.
Its exhausting and counter-intuitive… why wouldnt you want your players to level and gear out and complete content or do pvp on multiple characters? They are just hamstringing us.
Eventually I just give up and focus on getting whatever limited time cosmetics will be going away or are horrible RNG drops with my army of crap geared alts rather than actively trying to enjoy the narrative and game play.
Edit: Id also like to add I wouldnt be so oposed to borrowed power if it was closer to GW2’s mastery system. Even where its concerned with throughput for progression its ACCOUNT WIDE SYSTEMS.
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I feel as though the idea of “borrowed power” doesn’t really fit too well with what is actually happening. Really, and time they make a change you could consider whatever was removed the same way that people talk about “borrowed power.” So what it really is, is Blizzard making massive fundamental changes to every class with each expansion.
And yea, constantly reinventing the wheel does get old.
I like borrowed power. I think I would get tired and annoyed if the same mechanisms would stay in place for more than two years. I’m even excited to see how they planned on us getting that power back.
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I don’t mind the idea of borrowed power in that we get new abilities with a new expansion.
But I’m with you on not liking the grind for AP.
What would you say if I told you that you wouldn’t have to grind out space dust to upgrade your borrowed power on alts if said borrowed power didn’t exist at all?
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