Wtf, legion legendaries are not the same as the cloak. The cloak never interacted or gave your current class abilities perks.
The mop cloak only had a minimal proc chance and was a stat stick.
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Up to WoD the game has been whittled down in complexity so much that its kind of ironic people still need simulators and guides to play the most convenient RPG on the face of the Earth.
The game desperately needs complexity. Something for people to chew on over time so the ‘raid log or die’ doesn’t make them leave out of extreme boredom.
‘Borrowed Power Systems’ (what a buzz word) do work, and Blizzard has learned from mistakes of the past, but you can’t be reasonable in WoW because melodrama.
I don’t enjoy borrowed power systems because we can’t take the power with us into the next expansion. It makes me think “what’s the point”. Also, Blizzard creates these new systems that are fundamentally not able to be balanced and spend too much time and effort on these new problems that they’ve created for themselves. It’s so silly when I really think about it.
I remember one of the most exciting things about the first couple expansions was that I’m going to take everything I’ve learned and gathered right into the next one. That felt great dude.
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I find the issue with borrowed power is that when an expansion ends that particular component of it’s content simply goes dead and future trips through it winds up so much more hollow as a result; Like in legion there was a real joy in unlocking your artifact’s traits and seeing just how stronk you could make it. But now it’s just a weapon.
Similarly, I expect BFA is going to be pretty dull come the expansion due to the neck going dead and thus azerite traits won’t exist. Which will make some folks super happy I’m sure until the realize that it makes every piece of armor identical to every other piece in it’s slot.
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up to wod?? where we had all our abilities removed and had to play farmville? idk man. let me just break down mop warrior to wod warrior abilities
mop: 3 banners that had diff utility, intervene, spell reflect,2 charges, stormbolt, shockwave, ability to have safeguard, mass reflect, also able to intervene your friendlies AND BANNERS out of roots, this was all as JUST THE ARMS PVP SPEC
wod: NONE OF THAT, LITERALLY ALL GONE LOL
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Pretty much.
No one gives a 
about pvp. And Ironically, WoD PvP class design was ‘better’ than MoP.
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It’s going to be barren to you if you dont play its core games: Dungeons, Raids, Vision(Torghast) or PvP. If you think the game is centered just on its World PvE… daily quests, Battle Pets, professions, collection of stuffs, you would be bored as hell.
I had a blast on my progression from Mythic0 to M+15, from LFR to Heroic/Mythic Raiding and even on Vision from ZERO to 5-Masking as a Casual doing everything on Group Finder.
Ppl do care about pvp, it had been one of the fundamental parts of the game till borrowed power was a thing.
I will agree the MOP scale was acceptable when compaired to the legion, and BFA scale. Legion and BFA took the borrowed power too far. We will always need a degree of borrowed power however.
But like in cooking…maybe just a dash. BFA and legion poured on that spice like they tipped over the bottle.
Depends in what form and what amount. For me, Legendary effects in Shadowlands are good as well as Conduits. However I think Soulbinds are flavorless and boring, and the Covenant abilities are not necessary.
I would’ve been extremely happy with just some class tuning, un-pruning, maybe 1 new ability, and Legendaries that allow us to socket something like 2 Conduits, instead of the Conduits going in the Soulbind.
But I understand why some enjoy all the systems.
Some is fine, I do not think you will hear much of an argument for something like MOP cloaks, but this other stuff…this stuff is a joke.
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Funny how a lot of the borrowed power that was lost in legion is making its way back into the game, much like azerite traits.
This is why borrowed power doesn’t work. It feels good to get and horrible when taken away. If it’s all coming back anyway, what’s the point?
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ok, worgen checks out. huge cap “no one cares about pvp” > “wod was better” probably because u had less buttons and easier rotation to do LFR LOL
Borrowed power could be fun. It was in Legion. I think we should have kept the artifact weapons and forged the heart of Azeroth into them. And then it would have been very awesome. In fact the Azerite armor could have been Artifact weapon offspring.
You could really make things fun but I guess not.
It sure as hell doesn’t help the game.
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I didn’t expect this post to get this many replies, but I’m glad I’m not alone. The game just felt so much better when the only thing you had to grind was gear and reps, at least to me. You could hit lvl cap run some dungeons , and be ready to enter the current tier.
I understand they want to increase the amount of engagement throughout a patch, but the best way to do that is to make the underlying game fun to play, on your main and your alts. As it stands now if you miss a week in whatever the power grind is for that patch you feel behind.
I used to never unsub from the game, but since all this borrowed power stuff came in If I get to feeling insanely behind it just kills my will to play at all.
Ps. I also miss valor points/gear.
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Yes its destroying the game for many expansions now and its gonna get worse.
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Ah yes, the apologist’s only rebuttal.
It likely only exists to make the game easier to balance. Why balance multiple abilities across multiple classes when you can just balance mechanics around a single shared borrowed power that’s universal among all classes and specs.
The real question is why change what works. The game was great from wrath to mop, imo.
Honestly though, borrowed power is the least of my concern atm.
Azerite and building the entire expansion around it was an epically stupid idea. It kinda makes it hard to believe in Blizzard’s future plans. It’ll be many expansions before the stank of azerite goes away.
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