I dont think they do either other then to prevent unlucky shapeshifts; but unless they mega buff regrowth theres no reason to actually make it worse when cast in bearform.
Bear is so poorly treated by blizz it shouldnt have to make compromises to do what other tanks already can because shapeshift fantasy. Just let them do the thing.
I say mana increase cost to 5 casts just cause thats a little less then how many brew can get off with energy back to back before needing to wait
It is an issue. You are, again, wrong. Having legitimate circumstances for ‘wanting’ autoshift behavior as well as legitimate circumstances for ‘not’ wanting autoshift behavior, while having no mechanism to delineate between the two in real-time IS THE ISSUE. What aren’t you understanding? We used to have a mechanism to allow us to specify which behavior we wanted on a per-button basis, and now we don’t. Reducing this situation down to “this is the intended behavior and you need to play better, stop making mistakes, and make sure you have perfect latency” is just nonsense.
No other tank in the game has a single ability that, when erroneously clicked, takes away 45% of their health and 220% of their armor (and 5% vers and magic damage reduction). For other classes, misclicking an ability means you might miss a couple of optimal gcd windows or put an ability on CD — for bear tanks it means near instant death for you and your party. It’s far too punishing to not have a practical solution in place to address this issue.
Please go away.
The mechanism is YOU. You can choose when to and when not to.
It’s not nonsense - it’s reliance on a crutch not being able to handle it the situation without a macro. As I said before, sure they can fix it and people can go back to using it. But being able to handle it without said macro should be a fundamental.
Stop using an ability that’s meant to take you out of form, when you don’t want to be out of form. It’s not a hard concept.
I think continuing to respond says more about me than you at this point. You clearly have no intention of expressing any modicum of empathy or desire to see this situation from any other viewpoint than your own. So I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I hope you grow in humility and empathy. Arrogance like yours is a very dangerous trait, and I hope you can move past it eventually. This has been a very unenjoyable experience talking to you.
He’s just trolling, ignore and move on.
But I’ve already done this in my first response to you? So now what?
I’m trolling because you’re unable to refute the simple logic?
Give me a solid argument as to how using the ability when you’re meant to use it is a bad thing?
Does using Regrowth pop you out of form? Yes
Does DoC procs allow you to use Regrowth for free in form?
Yes
Should you use Regrowth outside DoC procs while actively talking?
No.
Are you pushing Regrowth outside of DoC procs?
If yes: skill issue. Do better
If no: then you wont notice and this is a non issue
Where am i wrong and trolling?
How do you figure? I play both prot pal and guardian druid I am not aware of any proc that gives proc a instant free flash of light.
Flash and regrowth are both no cd, cast time abilities with the only resource cost being mana. If paladin had an ability that was like dream of cenarius but for flash, then it would fit in perfectly. Wog and shining light just aren’t the same.
Technically you’re not wrong. You can just either not take the feat or do better at watching when the proc is available.
But why was this nerfed in the first place? With macros giving QoL to so many other specs doing very similar functions to what this macro did, why was THIS macro picked to be nerfed?
Okay, you’re right about that. But in this specific situation about this macro (the thread topic) they aren’t the same at all. Prot paladins get to cast an instant heal that can target other players every 3 holy power. guardian druids could proc a free instant regrowth up to every 20 seconds. A decent heal, with pretty low cd. This is the comparison being made. Now when guardians cast, if you miss your window or fat finger, or double click too fast even, you unshift out of tank form, effectively making you as effective as a naked prot paladin would be. It would be like if a prot paladin tried to cast wog without holy power and instead becomes naked. That was the comparison being made.
I said it’s a better comparison, not a perfect comparison, since the proc doesnt really matter here. It’s not the procs existence that shifts you out of form, but the lack thereof. While fat fingering a flash of light isn’t as punishing as losing a chunk of stamina and most of your armor, the inability to dodge/block/parry is still a punish.
When does any prot paladin ever use flash though? Like literally ever? The only time I think you could even attempt to use it without getting clobbered is while not actively tanking during a tank swap in a raid, and even then spamming abilities to get HP to cast WoG would be more time, APM, and probably mana efficient.
Starting to feel like you’re not actually trying to make a point and just wanna keep debating apples and bowling balls.
If you’re saying the regrowth and flash are essentially the same spells just for different class then I agree with you, other than that - with various talents they become night and day different, to the point that debating their similarities is just flat out incorrect.
The only difference is the existence of a talent to make it free and instant, which doesn’t really matter here. To fairly compare regrowth unshifting to wog/flash removing all armor, the scope needs to be limited to regrowth without the talent as the only time unshifting occurs is without a proc or without the talent. In both cases the talent may as well not exist.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter, as druids can just disable autounshift and macro cancelforms to relevant macros to unshift. It’s more time consuming to setup, but it’s still possible to keep the quality of life autounshift provides with the protection against mistakes the macro gave.
ok
Huh, I guess I really don’t need the macro anymore cuz I didn’t even know it was broken until I got on the forums today.
My prot paladin, whenever I fat-finger it when I’m sleepy and should probably have already logged off and gone to bed.
Thankfully, it doesn’t strip off my armor or make me /sit and cancel my consecration, because Blizzard doesn’t hate paladins.
SoD - that’s why. Because it wasn’t used for QoL - it was being used for “extra advantages over others” or something along those lines.
“omg get off your high horse”
/s 
Then it needs to be a toggle or another spell. This change is garbage.
It literally was and still is a toggle, you simply cannot trigger this toggle during combat lockdown anymore.
That’s kind of the problem though. Autounshifting is a great QoL feature outside of combat but fat-fingering Regrowth when you don’t have a proc and shifting out of bear in combat is a death sentence. I don’t know why this particular macro needed to be hit but it makes DoC for bears and Predatory Swiftness for Ferals really awkward and incentivizes both away from those parts of their kit.